2013/8/22 David Harkness <davi...@highgearmedia.com>

> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Curtis Maurand <cur...@maurand.com>wrote:
>> Sebastian Krebs wrote:
> > Actually the problem is, that the dot "." is already in use. With
>  > $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method "bar()" on
>> the
>> > object "$foo", or if you want to concatenate the value of "$foo" to the
>> > result of the function "bar()". There is no other way around this than a
>> > different operator for method calls.
>> I didn't think
>> of that.  It seems to me there could be an easier operator than ->
>> which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to
>> hit.  Just a thought.  I forgot about the concatenation operator
>> which is "+" in Java/C#
> The PHP language developers were pretty stuck. Because of automatic
> string-to-numeric-conversion, they couldn't use + for string concatenation.
> Sadly, they chose "." rather than ".." which I believe one or two other
> languages use. If they had, "." would have been available once objects
> rolled around in PHP 4/5. I suspect they chose -> since that's used in C
> and C++ to dereference a pointer.

Actually I think ".." is quite error-prone, because it is hard to
distinguish from "." or "_" on the _first_ glance, which makes the get
quickly through the code. [1]
So "." is maybe not the best choice, but also remember when it was
introduced: That was decades ago. That time it was (probably ;)) the best
choice and nowadays I don't think it is too bad at all, beside that _other_
languages use it for other purposes now ;)

[1] Yes, I know, that "_" is not an operator, but mixed with strings and
variables names it is there ;)

>> > Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me)
>> I have not, but it looks interesting.
>> I'll have to try it.
> Those are very good products which have had a strong following for a
> decade. The free IDE NetBeans also has quite good support for both Java and
> PHP, and the latest beta version provides a "web" project that provides
> front- and back-end debugging of PHP + JavaScript. You can be stepping
> through JS code and hit an AJAX call and then seamlessly step through the
> PHP code that handles it.
> I use NetBeans for PHP/HTML/JS (though I am evaluating JetBrains' PHPStorm
> now) and Eclipse for Java. You can't beat Eclipse's refactoring support in
> a free tool, though I think NetBeans is close to catching up. I would bet
> IntelliJ IDEA for Java by JetBrains is on par at least.

Eclipse' code-completion and debugger never worked for me well (and most of
the time: at all). It became slower and less responsive with every release.
That was the reason I decided to leave it and I don't regret it :)

> Peace,
> David


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