And this is why I'm not an expert!

I have a counter script on my page now that uses a flatfile to store 
IP's, but it also stores a timestamp. When someone visits the page, the 
current time is compared to the stored timestamp for that IP + whatever 
timeout period I set. If it's less, then that IP is not counted again. 
If it's more, than the previous entry is deleted and a new one written 
with a new timestamp. I have it set for 15 minutes just to keep people 
from sitting and hitting 'reload' to run up my counter.

Anyway, I figured the same type of thing could be used here, I just 
didn't explain it. Seems that someone else came up with a simpler 
solution anyhow!

Thanks for pointing out my idea's flaws... I'm a little biased, so I 
don't always see them myself.

Jason Soza

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [PHP] voting using text files

> On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jason Soza wrote:
> > Using file locking, if two people tried to use the script at the 
> same 
> > time, wouldn't there be an error for one of them?
> 
> The second session would just have to wait for the first to finish 
> (which 
> should be an infinitessimal amount of time).
> 
> > My first guess at defeating this is having the script write a 
> file named
> > after the voter's IP. Have the file written to a different 
> directory for
> > whatever choices they have, then use readdir() to count the 
> files in
> > each directory, i.e. the number of votes for each choice.  Then 
> if that
> > same IP tries to vote again, check it against votes already 
> received and
> > approve/deny it.
> 
> Using IPs is a pretty lousy way of uniquely identifying users, 
> especially 
> for a purpose like this:
> 
> 1. If I dial in with a modem, I probably get a new IP each time I 
> connect, 
> so I can vote as often as I like.
> 
> 2. Many companies, ISPs, and even countries use proxy servers that
> aggregate thousands or millions of users behind a handful of IP 
> addresses.  
> One vote from China, Saudi Arabia or New Zealand and that could be 
> it for
> the country. Likewise AOL.
> 
> Try cookies or something. Still can be defeated by the determined 
> ballot-box stuffer, but so can everything else that doesn't 
> require human 
> verification of identity.
> 
> miguel


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