On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Hannes Magnusson <bj...@php.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Hannes Magnusson <bj...@php.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just because the people behind the tool have php.net accounts does not
>>>> mean that a tool developed outside the php.net domain is automatically
>>>> php.net property. This is not a corporate world that screws you over
>>>> and you have not signed any contract with php.net forcing all your
>>>> development to become php.net work. This is open source.
>>>
>>> This is total bullshit and I won't even try to argument how wrong it is.
>>>
>>>> If the idea is to make it a PHP property, then we can import the
>>>> github repo to git.php.net. That should be easy enough. Then karma and
>>>> all other php.net rules of engagement will apply.
>>>
>>> That's not a problem and should not prevent us to publish the results
>>> to qa.php.net as many developers and RMs requested it.
>>>
>>> I will ping David or Tyrael to import the repo from github and that
>>> should solve your only issue.
>>
>>
>> Why couldn't you just have replied with "Sounds good, lets import it
>> to git.php.net!" to the first mail rather then being such an asshole?
>
> Please take care of your tone.
>
> And I did, also you forgot that this project is many years old, way
> before we even had travisci support or the like. We have been testing
> all commits and releases using it and provided critical feedback since
> then. Back then git was not available in php.net and we were not
> willing to deal with svn, just like many pecl extensions. Arguing
> about code not being under git.php.net was a non issue, sorry.


How is any of this related to a) you being an asshole or b) this
project not being developed under php.net?

There are literally millions of projects that are outside of php.net
and that is awesome! The more the better!

The more datapoints we have, the better!
Matt and buddies have receieved requests to make these datapoints
public because it was not available to php.net developers that would
like to get their hands on it - because it wasn't developed as a
php.net project.
Although it may have been used by a specific group, that also has
affiliation to php.net, there is a clear distinction.

Now it seems like the project would like to join the php.net umbrella
and that is fantastic news!

With you however being an asshole and arguing unrelated crap as usual
is not helping anyone and you should stay away and let the adults
talk. We were doing just fine before you joined this thread.




>> Things become much easier when you act like an adult - not to mention
>> how massive waste of time your attitude brings.
>
> Excuse me but your constant opposition and FUDs spreading about
> "corparates", "non contributors" and other totally respect-less
> replies to the various php.net lists cause more damage than anything
> else. And as soon as you do it with one of the guys I work with (be
> professionally or in my free time), I will jump in the discussion and
> put the things back to their (right) place. Whether we like it or not
> is not really relevant.


What is wrong with you now?
You suddenly believe that the work of everyone that has contributed to
php.net to be a php.net project?
Of course not.
Most php.net contributors have plenty of other projects they are
working on. It doesn't make those projects php.net projects. While
developed outside of php.net umbrella there is no way php.net will be
forcing its pov over anything.

If the authors would however like to move the project into php.net
umbrella then fantastic!



>
> Now, if any of my replies has been insulting, please accept my
> apologizes. But I don't see any insulting replies but facts being
> presented in an objective (and somehow direct) manner.

Great, then we agree! Thanks for you understanding in this matter.


However, since you don't have single commit to the repo, you cannot
force Matt to move his project to php.net
https://github.com/OSTC/PFTT2/graphs/contributors

If Matt would like us to import the repo, then I'll do that right away
and make sure he has karma to qaweb and whatever else he needs to work
on the integration.

-Hannes

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