On 28 December 2012 11:29, Levi Morrison <morrison.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The trimmed down version is less mega than it used to be, but it's
> still bad. I vote we kill it in favor of landing pages plus good
> second-level navigation (like what exists in the documentation pages
> on the left-hand side).

I'm against this, for two reasons:

1. We have to create landing pages. Creating well designed landing
pages with good content may actually take us some time (particularly
those of us with minimal design chops).

2. I think the mega dropdown is far more efficient — having to do a
page reload to go to a landing page is a problem for people on higher
latency connections, and you lose the mental state of being on the
page to boot. As an example of how that's a real world problem, I'm at
~300ms ping time to php.net, which is what Google links to if I search
for "PHP" (obviously I know there are much closer mirrors, but Google
doesn't link to them) — I'm on a good connection here, but the speed
of light is a killer. That's two round trips before I even start
getting content, so 600 ms, plus however long my browser takes to
render and the data takes to transfer.

That's going to make the site feel slow.

I'll address the manual-specific points on php-doc, so we're not
spreading the conversation across two lists. :)

> All in all, I'm in favor for *not* launching this on January 15th.
> The site has come a long way, especially in the last two years, but I
> personally will not advocate launching it in its current state.

Honestly, I only really see two options now — we launch it soon, or we
delete it and pretend it never happened. Having it limping along (with
the overhead of having to maintain two sets of stylesheets and the
like) isn't helping anyone.

> That being said, I do have some time this week to actually work on it.

That would be awesome. :)

Adam

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