On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Hannes Magnusson
<hannes.magnus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Levi Morrison <morrison.l...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> If we probide beta=0 option I think we will wind up in the same
> >> situation, stalled effort as people just set their preferences to
> >> beta=0 "until the new look is finished".
> >
> > This is just one more reason to not launch it until it is better. I
> > think that there has been a reasonable amount of coding over the last
> > two years to suggest that this hasn't died but is simply moving along
> > slowly.  It's hard when you only have a couple of committers who
> > aren't in sync and never get to work on the project at the same time.
>
> Having some grand idea of what "finished" means has proven not to work
> and requires more work then we have to spare.
> Incremental updates, and checking which stuff works out and what
> doesn't, is pretty much the only way to go.

Perhaps having an idea of what "finished" means has proven not to
work, but I think it's pretty easy to have an idea of what "finished"
is not. The current prototype is not finished. Sure, there are a lot
of minor things that can be incrementally fixed and I'm perfectly fine
with that. However, I believe there are other, non-superficial issues
that need to be fixed. Some are listed at:
https://wiki.php.net/web/redesign/howtohelp

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