Colleen, I think I misunderstood an earlier comment. I don't think we need to add PHP to a compatibility view list; in fact I'd probably argue against it.
Regarding the 8" screen and -ms-viewport: it would be helpful to be able to get screenshots from such a device. That doesn't solve all issues (notably JS interactions) but we can at least make sure the site renders. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Colleen Williams <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks for the information. I’m sorry if my original request was unclear > but you may be able to remove some of the IE specific coding. I don’t > believe there’s a change that IE can make but I’ve sent it to them to > double-check. > > > > The goal starting with IE9 is to be more standards compliant and to remove > the buggy old IE code that web developers expect. I do appreciate having > this conversation with your team & understand you are volunteering your > time. > > > > The particular –ms viewport issue is relevant on small devices with less > than 8” screen so not certain if you would see the differential if you’re > using a VM. Based upon the exchange, I’ll request IE to add the site to the > Compatibility View list which is a mitigation IE can institute so users > aren’t impacted in any way. > > > > Thanks again for all of your responses and if you have any IE issues, > please let us know. > > > > Colleen > > > > *From:* Levi Morrison [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, May 2, 2014 11:13 AM > *To:* Hannes Magnusson > *Cc:* Colleen Williams; Ted Kim (Axelerate LLC); > [email protected]; Ecosystem Engineering IE > > *Subject:* Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] IE Compatibility and php.net | Microsoft > ref# 612807 > > > > We absolutely don't support IE 7 anymore. IE 8 barely works (and sometimes > not even then). I am pretty sure that we don't want to support IE 8 anymore > now that Windows XP is no longer supported. > > > > Colleen: > If you are willing to go through this effort I would suggest removing all > hacks and add back the IE 9+ ones. > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Hannes Magnusson < > [email protected]> wrote: > > We accept patches (or Pull Requests) for IE issues, but do not > actively try to fix them. > Just because I have a website I only have to wait 5minutes to see > screenshots of per-page, or needing to load a vm (or many?) to test a > browser incompatibility, doesn't mean that it is not expensive task. > > > For my part, honestly, I don't care. It isn't worth my time. If it is > worth yours, please send patches. > > If you look at our markup you see bunch of IE conditions to workaround > various issues: > <!--[if lte IE 7]> > <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > href="http://www.php.net/styles/workarounds.ie7.css"; media="screen" /> > <![endif]--> > > <!--[if lte IE 8]> > <script type="text/javascript"> > window.brokenIE = true; > </script> > <![endif]--> > > <!--[if lte IE 9]> > <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" > href="http://www.php.net/styles/workarounds.ie9.css"; media="screen" /> > <![endif]--> > > <!--[if IE]> > <script type="text/javascript" > src="http://www.php.net/js/ext/html5.js";></script> > <![endif]--> > > > If it was totally up to me I would honestly remove it all as this sort > of contamination is aweful, and it clearly isn't maintained so the > situation only becomes worse and worse. > > At this point though, we do accept patches if you are interested in > fixing the IE situation: https://github.com/php/web-php > Fairly certain the current IE support has all come from random people > doing drive-by testing on IE anyway. > > -Hannes > > > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Colleen Williams <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Levi – can you tell me of the other workarounds you have in place for > IE? > > IE’s made a lot of changes and maybe some of the workarounds aren’t > > necessary any longer (and maybe they are). > > > > > > > > If you’re willing to send a list, I’d be happy to look at them and confer > > with the IE team to see if some of the pain points can be removed. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Colleen > > > > > > > > From: Levi Morrison [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 6:32 AM > > To: Pierre Joye > > Cc: Hannes Magnusson; Ted Kim (Axelerate LLC); > [email protected]; > > Ecosystem Engineering IE > > Subject: Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] IE Compatibility and php.net | Microsoft > ref# > > 612807 > > > > > > > > That works for basic screenshots which is good enough. Not exactly sure > what > > I should be looking for in regard to @-ms-viewport because it doesn't > seem > > to take screenshots using IE on mobile devices; I believe that's really > > where the viewport settings comes into play? > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Pierre Joye <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Levi Morrison <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Hannes Magnusson > >> <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> Why the prefix? > >>> We have this in our markup already. Why do you need it specifically in > >>> the > >>> CSS? > >>> > >>> I guess we can add it into our ie workarounds, but these seem to > quickly > >>> becoming out of control and not worth it imo. Not to mention it to > >>> expensive to actually see if it works. > >>> > >>> -Hannes > >>> > >>> > >> Based on the git logs, Hannes and I are the contributors to the PHP.net > >> website in recent years; I don't know about Hannes but I don't even > have a > >> Windows machine to test this on. Would you be willing to set up > something > >> we could use to test our website for IE compatibility? Sending us > >> hardware, > >> setting up some kind of snapshot VM or anything along those lines? At > the > >> moment it's just really hard for me because I don't have Windows. > > > > http://modern.ie/en-us > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Pierre > > > > @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org > > > > > > >
