Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] com web/php: Adding in announcement for php[cruise]: archive/archive.xml archive/entries/2015-12-04-1.xml images/news/phpcruise.2015.png

[Peter Cowburn]

On 7 December 2015 at 14:24, Eli <e...@eliw.com> wrote:

> Hey Hannes, thanks for the response ... but I'm a bit confused ... read on:
>
> > That mere hours after a major release and what will become historic
> > release
>
> I'm glad that you are concerned about this.  As it's a very important
> point.  However, please note that absolutely no "evil plan" existed for
> me to attempt to hijack the php7 news.
>
> This was just a bullet item of 'something I need to do' that was on my
> todo list and I got around to finally a few weeks after php[world].  I
> honestly hadn't even thought about the timing at all.
>
> > you overwrite your own conference as the top entry so the
> > major release announcement gets hidden away.
>
> So here is where I'm extremely confused.  How does a new conference
> entry "hide away" the php7 announcement?
>
> They are displayed on completely different pages.  PHP7 shows up on the
> homepage.  The conference announcements show up on /conferences/ only.
> Which was a change specifically made many years ago to make sure that
> conference announcements didn't affect the homepage.
>
> So - How exactly does a new conference announcement happen to hide away
> the launch?  I'm honestly-100%-confused here.
>

The different types of news entries do appear on the same page.  The
permalink for the PHP 7.0.0 news entry is
http://php.net/archive/2015.php#id2015-12-03-1 and that page also shows
conference announcements and calls for papers.  The PHP 7.0.0 news entry is
currently getting prime position at the top of the page, and I for one
would like that to remain the case at least for a little while longer.


>
> > I'd be great if you could still help the rest of the smaller
> > conferences that ask to be listed more actively though. It does matter
> > to them a great deal to be listed as early as possible, not a week or
> > two or even a month later.
>
> First of all:  I have been, to the best of my ability with workload and
> family.  I also seem to be one-of-a-few who publish the 'unapproved
> events'.   It would be nice if volunteers were allowed to do so, and
> volunteer to the best of their ability.  Without a constant nag of: "You
> aren't volunteering well enough."
>
> Secondly: Just as a note.  You refer to the 'smaller conferences' as
> needing help.  Though in practice many of those smaller conferences are
> actually bigger than the ones I run.  Just sharing there.  And yes, they
> happen to compete in said space.  But I volunteer here, and help out,
> because it's for the good of the community.  That's the whole reason I
> do everything that I do :-D  -- Trust me, I wouldn't be doing this job
> at horrible pay if it wasn't for that ;)
>
> > You may put this as the second entry in archive.xml, but you will not
> > be the top entry during the initial hours, or first few days of the
> > release.
> > It is entirely inappropriate for anything to hijack this announcement.
> > Visiting http://php.net/foobar should result in the PHP7 announcement,
> > not link to your day job.
>
> Again, completely confused as to how putting a conference announcement
> hijacks anything.  They don't appear on the homepage.
>
> > This has been very consistent behaviour over the years by conference
> > organizers, and I understand that you all try to time your
> > announcements during peak visiting hours to php.net
>
> I can't speak for anyone else.  But for myself.  I've never once tried
> to time an announcement with php.net details.  I simply don't have the
> mental bandwidth to attempt to do something like that.  I'm struggling
> just to get my normal daily activities done as it is.   I push in
> announcements for my conferences when it's 'time to do so'.  Regardless
> of any php.net news.  Of which I'm usually behind on anyway (for same
> reason).
>
> So please let me know/understand how a conference announcement somehow
> buries a PHP announcement, when the conference announcements don't
> appear on the homepage anyway....
>
> And let me know when you feel it's appropriate to put something in ... I
> have an Early Bird ending and want to make sure people know about it, to
> quell the tide of "Ooops I didn't know can I get the EB rate anyway"
> emails in January.
>
> Thanks Hannes,
> Eli
>
>
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