We have had the problem of people taking the manual
and printing it w/o even mentioning the origin (was it
in a german book?), and I do not recall what was the
resolution (if any) in that case.
More recently, at the OSCON, I saw a "PHP dictionary"
(or something along those lines) from SAMS that looked
eerily similar to the contents, errors and examples we
have in the manual.
I told the SAMS guy (and also the guy from the San
Diego Tech bookstore) that a cursory looked at the
book gave me impresion that it was just a nicely
formatted *copy* of the on-line PHP manual, and that I
was not sure if the authors of the book asker for
permission, etc. The SAMS and the bookstore guys were
dumbfounded, and they did not know this fact. I did
not read the book carefully, so if you see it and do
read it more carefully correct me if I am wrong.
Hopefully some license better tailored to documentaion
will help avoiding these rampant stealing of the work
of others.
--- Egon Schmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hojtsy Gabor wrote:
> >
> > > > > (and don't be afraid that making your stuff
> free will
> > > > > harm sales, it will most likely be the other
> way round
> > > > > making people buy the book instead of
> printing out
> > > > > the manual themselves)
> > > >
> > > > The same happened to some Hungarian books
> (free online
> > > > version and a book), and it works very well.
> And see
> > > > http://www.docbook.org/
> > >
> > > Huh, do you mean Norman Walsh's book TDG? The
> situation here is very
> > > different from our case. Norman is the leader of
> the DocBook effort and
> > > he will receive money from the publisher. If you
> read this online,
> > > Norman gets no money. Anyway, DocBook is like
> PHP a Open Source Software
> > > and to publish a book is commercial.
> >
> > O'reilly published that book, you can also
> download in many formats
> > for free. This was what I meant.
>
> I know, I have this book but it is not free. You and
> I have to pay the
> publishere a fee and Norman will receive a small
> portion from every sold
> copy of this book. Sure, the DocBook online manual
> is Open Source and
> you don't need anything to pay if you wish to read
> it online. A online
> manual is a completly different thing as a published
> book. You have to
> pay for a printed book and the author can fill his
> petty cash. I know
> this isn't so bad, but I know examples and this
> could be the worsed case
> for every author.
>
> > > Tell me a publisher who publish a book and give
> it away as gift.
> >
> > Kiskapu (the publisher of the first hungarian PHP
> book) also
> > published a Linux book, and made the contents
> available online. :))
>
> How many dollars or euros do have to pay and is it a
> translated PHP
> manual or have the author written that book from
> scratch?
>
> > > If someone will translate the PHP manual and
> publish it (through a
> > > publisher), the original authors don't get
> money. This is IMHO
> > > plagiarism.
> >
> > You are Right. I meant that the same people
> publishes who is the
> > author. Hartmut said, that Angriawan should commit
> his changes
> > to the phpdoc team, and so he can publish that
> book. It is
> > not the same case, as you are talking about. I can
> agree with
> > you in the current case.
>
> To make the story short, it isn't allowed to earn
> money with other
> peoples work.
>
> -Egon
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--- Jesus M. Castagnetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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