Instead of non-specific "head is broken" email, why not point out what
is broken?

Livedocs is running fine here; I built it only a week or so ago with
no problems.
Plus, I have a mirror that updates daily (livedocs.thebrainroom.net)
with no problems (assuming that someone hasn't broken phpdoc....)

If you have a patch that works properly, by all means send it our way
(either myself, Ilia, Derick or Goba).  What we don't want is a
half-baked patch that "fixes" stuff for one person/case and that
breaks everything else; and that is the reason we tightened up the
karma--some of us are *already* running livedocs in production.

I've seen plenty of people say that livedocs isn't ready, but non of
them have said why or come up with a firm list of what needs to be
done to make it ready, let alone come up with patches for that.

We've already said that if a steady stream of good patches come in,
more karma can be granted.

It's OpenSource: hack, send in patches.

--Wez.

PS: no need to pgp sign messages to a mailing list...

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:59:51 -0400, Sean Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [This is a follow-up post to my previous post, "Livedocs woes".]
> 
> What is the current status of livedocs development?
> 
> My understanding is that anyone with phpdoc karma, also, once, had
> livedocs karma. A commit was made that some maintainers did not like,
> and karma was removed, and only granted to certain people (Currently:
> iliaa,goba,wez,derick,sfox,alan_k). Please correct me if I am wrong.
> 
> There are several outstanding issues with the livedocs code. As I said
> in my post, last night, HEAD seems broken. Also, Nuno has a number of
> patches available at http://livedocs.aborla.net/
> 
> My point? I'd like to determine the proper procedure for patching
> (getting patches approved for) livedocs, or find an alternative
> development method.
> 
> I realize that livedocs is not ready for production, as it is intended.
> It is, however VERY useful for doc team members (see Philip's posts re:
> CHANGELOG and the EXIF changes he made for a practical example).
> 
> I also understand that the original authors of livedocs don't want their
> code messed with. Isn't this the beauty of CVS, though?
> 
> I suspect this idea won't be well-received, but if we're not
> willing/able to keep livedocs HEAD up to date, could we not branch the
> module for testing purposes? Karma could be re-granted on a per-case
> basis, with the condition that non-core developers do not commit to
> HEAD, but to the dev branch. My understanding of the "staleness" of
> livedocs is that Ilia and Wez are busy on PHP 5. I understand this.
> People like Nuno, though, have demonstrated a knowledge of livedocs
> code, and should be able to contribute, IMHO. I'd also like to see
> livedocs tagged regularly so we can easily "rollback" to a previous
> version (last night, while getting livedocs running, and failing
> miserably, I was tempted to start pulling random dates out for cvs up -D ).
> 
> I'm not trying to point fingers, here, I'd just like to see livedocs
> move forward. Can we find a way to make this happen?
> 
> <can type="worms" state="open" />
> 
> S

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