Quoting Nilesh Patra (2022-03-25 17:55:33) > On 3/25/22 9:09 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> I actively want us to change. As the signal to noise ratio is > >> lowered due to tons of processing emails (and it is not only -my- > >> opinion) > > > > I guess that by "processing emails" you mean those emails sent from > > Debian infrastructure to the Maintainer email address. > > yes, things like "Processing of xxx_sourceonly.changes" Or bug > processing mails from BTS (like processing tags) > > > Do you mean that you want an _additional_ mailinglist which is > > _separate_ from the address used in package Maintainer field? > > > E.g. a -discuss list? > > Yes, as an example we have > "[email protected]" as maintainer address, > and "[email protected]" for discussions. > > Several teams have similar schemes. > Those without a alioth list use tracker+<teamname>@debian.org as maint > address so as to reduce noise. Hope that helps clarify what I meant to > say.
Yes, understand you now. Thanks for your patience. > >> Also, alioth lists (like the current one) break DKIM signatures and > >> is a sort of a bummer since I see valid mails get to my spam folder > >> sometimes. > > > > I was unaware that the Alioth list was broken. > > > > I recommend that you report that issue to the mailinglist admins: > > The footer of https://alioth-lists.debian.net/ lists > > https://salsa.debian.org/alioth-lists-team/support as their > > preferred place to report issues. > > I think it is already known for quite sometime. IIRC bugs.d.o and > alioth lists use similar mechanisms for mails. Ah, you mean the SPF issue, affecting domains outside debian.org. Yes, I am aware of that issue, and there is no need to report it, as there is nothing really to be done about it: It works as intended by design (and design of SPF is limited). > >> But please note that there is already a bug for lists.d.o for a JS > >> team mailing list here[1] it has been a long time since, though. > > > > Ah, right. I vaguely rmember us discussing mailinglist structure in the > > past, but I do not remember what was the conclusion of that discussion, > > and it is not clear to me from that bugreport either. > > Thread starts from here[3] > Conclusion was to start with it if no-one objected; and IIRC, no-one raised > any objections. > > [3]: > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-javascript-devel/2019-December/037619.html Thanks! > >> Since you moderate this list, it would make a lot of sense if you > >> could follow up there and do the needful with respect to the > >> procedure. > >> > >> [1]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=946979 > > > > Sorry, I fail to see how my role as moderator for the current Alioth > > list makes me any special regarding setup of additional lists - at > > alioth-lists.d.n or at lists.d.o. > > Since you moderate this list, I thought it would be nice if you would > be nice if you could also moderate lists.d.o, as current maintainer it > would be easier to collaborate with list admins (just a thought, not a > strong opinion) I am not listmaster anywhere related to Debian (only on systems I host myself). I am moderator for 13 lists at alioth-lists.d.n which is efficient for me since they all use mailman where I can comfortably do screening with the command-line tool listadmin. Spam processing for lists.d.o is radically different, as documented at https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam and (more brief but official) at https://lists.debian.org/archive-spam-removals/review/ I don't think I will engage in screening for spam at lists.d.o. I don't see at https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list that my status as DD should have any special relevancy for creating a new list for our team. What is needed is clear and accurate facts passed to listmasters when requesting - as documented very detailed. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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