Hi Matthieu,
I am not sure to understand all the points of your mail, but here goes a try to
reply.

On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 10:55:27PM +0200, GALLIEN Matthieu wrote:
> Hi all
> I would like to add my opinion to that question.
> I am an happy Debian powerpc port user for 3 years and half.
> I have an old iBook G4.
> I am not able to test kde4.1 beta 1 in Debian without building myself the 
> debian packages or from kde svn.
> I do not want to build it on my old iBook, so what ?
> If debian devs whant users to test, please help users get the packages built 
> on their arch.
> I am saying that because I believe that kde4 will not be ready for Debian 
> unless it is tested. And I cannot test it because I have only obsolete 
> packages or they are not installable because others have been updated.
> I am sure that it is not only a problem of experimental powerpc buildd.

Actually, yes, it is just a problem with the experimental powerpc buildd, not
much we can do there.

> There is not really an easy way for some people willing to test to just do it.
> 

For people with i386 or amd64 it is easy to test, specially since beta1 was
uploaded for both archs, no need from the autobuilders there.
I'm afraid this cover 90% of the users :(


> I have a more general question. How the other distribution are managing their 
> unstable version ?

I have not idea. Does another distros have the concept of unstable :?

> Is it not possible to work on kde4 in debian without relying on experimental ?
No.

> Is kde4.1 really something experimental ?
Until it is released on the end of July, yes, it is experimental.
In debian the usual rule to upload stuff to experimental is: packages that are
not meant to be shipped in the next stable release.

> I thought kde4.0 was experimental and kde4.1 something working (I do not mean 
> complete, but does it crash ?).
No, kde 4.0 is not experimental. It is officially releaed since months ago and
it already have 5 revisions. It is stable for daily use, but for most of
people it does not fully replace KDE 3.

> How debian managed to include gnome 2 
> Did you wait for one year and half before shipping it ?
>

Again, I have not idea what happens in gnome-land.
You have to wait to ship it in the next stable release until this stable is
released. Usually new stufd is in the archive when it is released.

> I do not want to troll or sound harsh, but I am really convinced of the 
> problem of the chicken and egg. I also want to say thanks for your work and I 
> am sorry if my mail is the cause of hurt or pain, this is not my goal.

I'm very tired of this topic already. Getting a decision about what KDE ship
has been hard and I just want to continue working getting KDE 3.5.9 in shape
for Lenny and work in parallel in KDE 4.

Ana

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