Hi, I wonder what you think about this issue but beware since it takes some time to read:
You know that one big advantage of Linux distributions like Debian is the package management of all programms not only the operating system. In Debian, experienced users use aptitude or apt on the shell. But I do not want to open a shell and enter the commands manually. Other (unexperienced) desktop users may not know or forget about it and get a system that is not up to date. I do not talk about servers since IMO only experienced users run servers and that does not concern me since they can enter the commands. There a solutions that can update und upgrade automatically like cron- apt but maybe a desktop user does not want to update a package, or he does not want to update a big package like openoffice.org using a low bandwidth like a mobile phone. So, an update tool that runs in the tray of a desktop environment like KDE, GNOME notifies and the user can do the updates. There is a standard for this tray area in different desktop environments for some years now, an app using GNOME lib also is in the tray of a KDE desktop and vice versa. AFAIK, there is already no nice solution for KDE in Testing and Unstable. In Lenny it's the same: I always found adept to complicated but it isn't developed anymore (http://web.mornfall.net/blog/farewell__44___adept.html). So I used update-notifier from the GNOME guys. It works but requieres the GNOME libs. More important is the fact that update-notifier does not start automatically in KDE because of the configuration in /etc/xdg/autostart/update-notifier.desktop (from update-notifier- common): -------------------------------------------------- [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Update Notifier Comment=Update notification daemon Icon=update-notifier Exec=update-notifier Terminal=false Type=Application Categories= OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE; X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=update-notifier -------------------------------------------------- Hm OK, it should "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;", so I deleted this line and added the "X-KDE-autostart-after=panel" taken from wicd since it seems to be important. Now, update-notifier does start if I log in into KDE4. By the way, this does not work with KDE3 since it does not support the xdg autostart feature! I also installed cron-apt to make "aptitude update" regularly. Then update-notifierer recognizes updates and ask me if there are new packages. I like that but I have to to some research to find that out! Since adept is some kind of depreciated (maybe it should be deleted from Unstable and Testing) there is another solution: PackageKit. It is used maybe in Ubuntu/Kubuntu and maybe soon in Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/PackageKit and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi- bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468132 . But I do not know anything about the current status. What do you think: Do I have forgotten something? Should I report a bug against update-notifier-common? Should update-notifier be a suggested dependency for kde meta packages (but what about the GNOME libs)? Should there be more work in PackageKit? But there should something happen since I do not like the current situation. Thanks for reading;) Kind regards from Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/ OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 _o)(o_ Mark Twain: -./\\//\.- Whenever you find yourself on the side of _\_VV_/_ the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk