On 2/2/26 10:12 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote:
That the guy is pissed of doesn't mean the conversation isn't
constructive or respectful.
It literally does.
You can't have a rational conversation with someone who's pissed off. It
drives up your own emotional level and everyone ends up angry and not
listening.
That's why it's important to keep it professional and technical.
The problems I'm observing myself on Wayland seem diverse and relevant:
You've already opened bug reports for some of these, and they've been
either acknowledged as issues in KDE code, or traced to issues in
3rd-party code. Thanks!
So please continue. Software improves when issues are reported properly,
investigated, and fixed.
Having the applications not isolated, both in the display server and the
packaging, is an advantage not a drawback. As applications on Linux are
meant to colaborare, not be separated tools like on a phone.
Having the display protocol specification and the code being a single
software, is an advantage not a drawback. It allows capturing and
standardizing all kinds of details you discover LATER on in a single
place, for every other desktop.
My feeling is this: something like Wayland was quite needed but, at the
same time, it is quite contaminated by the narrow way of thinking of
their creators: GNOME.
GNOME and RedHat are Apple wannabes, but without contextualizing
decisions. They copied the weaknesses of the Apple model, in a context
it fits even worse. And they NEVER listen.
Let's keep the discussion technical. Technical issues can be fixed.
Feelings about the state of the world cannot be fixed.
If we veer off into high-level discussions about how the whole concept
is bad and ought to have been done differently from the start decades
ago and how X or Y organization are bad and suck, we'll never get anywhere.
Nate
