On Thursday 28 August 2014 12:21:21 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Actually, while the fact that choosing formats and units by locale instead > > of directly isn't necessarily a usability problem, presenting all locales > > in a single drop-down _is_ . > > Surely, and almost every bugreport has some relation to usability, that > doesn't mean that anything someone runs into is "bad usability", I'm against > conflating issues and muddening our terminology.
Agreed: "Usability problem" is definitely not the same as "I don't like the way it works". In this case, the best approach would have been to file a bug about the actual usability problem (i.e. the 200-item-dropdowns) which would have been acted upon, and maybe a wishlist item asking for the ability to directly set formats, which would probably have been closed as "won't fix" with the arguments presented in this thread. > > See also the HIG for drop-down lists [1] which says "For a single > > selection > > out of a large number of items (n>20), use a list view". This is because, > > as Matthew stated, scrolling through a huge list inside a drop-down is > > very > > very cumbersome. > > I've just filed a bug about this issue [1]. > > > > [1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338599 > > We have 6 comboboxes which are all too big. This needs a serious design > concept, we can't just replace them all with lists + filters, because people > don't have 6000px height displays. > > I've posted the same comment to the bugreport, let's move this discussion > over there. Yes, will reply over there. > > The above being said, I do understand that people who e.g. prefer the > > metric system though they live in a region that uses the imperial system > > by default might find it unnecessarily intricate to find out which region > > uses their preferred system first. > > The benefits of using the POSIX-compliant locale system instead of custom > > formats selection still outweigh the costs from my point of view, but > > maybe > > we can find a way for people to make it easier for them to switch to > > common formats? > > Could we maybe put a hint somewhere that e.g. en_DK might give people what > > they need at least for the date and time formats? > > There's the Examples section which shows exactly what one can expect, > whenever the combo value changes. Not good enough? Otherwise, I'm out of > ideas (for now). The problem is that people still have to guess which locale might give them exactly the things they want before selecting one. I think the idea John presented about allowing users to edit their own custom locale file and then use that could be worth pursuing for the mid/long term, since that would then still be used by all applications, not just KDE ones. Cheers, Thomas _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel