Hello folks, this afternoon my time, a discussion started in #plasma with some rather upset designers, who said that they felt they are treated by the Plasma devels as children.
I waded into that discussion, and am reluctant to write to the list about it, but I think there are some issues here that we all should think about. So I guess it is worth the risk. First, are all the designers on this list? If not, it's difficult to have a dialog. Please make sure that at least andreas_k and uriherrera (irc nicks) become part of this conversation. After all, they are Plasma devels. I've read https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125568/ and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355058, both of which seem directly relevant. I see both sides of the this conversation feeling distressed and unheard, and perhaps disrespected. We've got to fix this. When I asked both Andreas and Uri about other developers in the VDG, they said "only Andrew is a dev"! As I said in the conversation, I'm a developer, even though I don't code, nor do I design. We are all developers if we're working in the project. (I don't consider myself a Plasma devel, by the way.) We have to give ourselves the respect of calling ourselves developers, and give one another that respect as well. All devels who contribute need developer accounts. If some of the designers don't have devel accounts yet, please can we get that done? Another sticky bit is the link I saw in the RR to github. As Martin commented in the RR, we don't use github for development. If there are folks doing that, can we help them move that to KDE infra? The Plasma team is KDE's face to the world. You are doing world-class work, and I love using your products. The VDG is an increasingly important part of that "face to the world" and we need to ensure that we are all working together, and not at cross-purposes. Feel free to write privately to the CWG list if you think that what you have to say shouldn't be public. Otherwise, please let's talk a bit here and make some peace. Best, Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel