I like the idea on pedagogical grounds, but unless some _very_strict_ guidelines are followed, we will have to continue to decline.
First off, this is a live project--so your students would need to work as closely with this community as with you. Second, we'd need to make sure that Cal State San Bernadino waves it's claim to ownership on any work that a student does for a class--as they could try to shut us down based on that if your students contribute as part of a class. This is a real problem and cannot be ignored. There are other issues, and if you'd like to discuss the idea further, I'd be willing the think it over--but I'm not going to let anything threaten the independence of this project. Also, it should be noted that: I'm a student myself, and I do this because I like it, in my own free time--and would not feel compelled to do the _extreemely_high_quality_work_ that I am willing to demand here if it were for a class. There is nothing wrong with a group of students & professors joining this project in a manner independent of Cal State--so long as it is understood that this is the case (and therefore the school owns none of it). There is obviously more to this than it sounds, and I will tell you now that it behooves you to find out what else may apply in your situation before you get yourself into trouble like one of the folks over at PerlMonks did. On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Dr. Yasha Karant wrote: > Joaquim, > > I discussed the option below during the BOCHS era but was declined. > > A number of faculty in the CS community can organize student projects > to "finish" Plex86. There are a variety of pedagogical justifications > for the work. > > The practical impetus to do this is not as great as it once was due to > VMWare. I realize that VMWare is a very much overpriced product, and > that VMWare came about as a university faculty spin-off (from Stanford). > > Would the Plex86 community be willing to permit this to happen? The > work would result in both internal publications/presentations at > the participating departments and probably some submissions to regular > journals/conferences. Moreover, we would attempt to make the basic > design (not the details of the implementation) portable to IA-64 because > that will be the next great push of the monopoly, after .NET . > > Thoughts? > > Yasha Karant > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > There was a time I started thinking that some Microsoft employee was > > in control of this list and he was doing his best to stop plex86 development. You give them too much credit. They're too busy to bother right now anyhow--you know it is hard work trying to take over the free world. > > > > We must all stop pretending to be programmers, pretending to be > > interested and pretending that we care. > > > > We must find someone with spare time to work on plex86 or this project > > will die. I'm working on it right now. Look at the savannah page, there is plenty to do. I'm not your mother, I'm not going to tell you what to do. It is your responsibilityto figure out how to put on your socks in the morning--and it is also your responsibility to figure out what you are going to do each day. If you choose to be part of this project then do so. Write some code. Run some tests. Come up with new ideas, some perviously overlooked documentation--you just grace us with your presence from time to time. > > > > It's unbelievable that we all find time to discuss and irrelevant questions > > and no one writes a single line of plex86 code. > > Christophe is writing code, I'm writing code--and I'm sure that there are others out there whom are capable of doing the same. Stop complaining and do something useful. As for discussing the list, it is useful--though time consuming. If anybody knows where to find Ulrich Wigand, then tell him we need to find out who supposedly maintains this list. I'd be happy to split the work with a couple of other people if he can't do it anymore. > > > > Regards, > > Joaquim Carvalho |^^^ | | |^^| |^^^ Drew Northup, N1XIM |^^| | |^^^ \ / /^^\ /^^~ |__ | | | | | |__| | |___ \/ |__| |__ | | | | | | www.plex86.org | | | /\ | | | \ ___| |__| |__| |___ web.syr.edu/~suoc/ | |___ |___ / \ __/ __/
