If you read the plex86 LGPL license : http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html you can see that you don't have to ask ANYBODY permission for you or your students to work on plex86. Any volunteer work is welcome.
Why on earth do you think you have to ask for "permission"? Why on earth would anyone say they "wouldn't like" the students to work on it? This question is even more ridiculous as almost no one is doing any work on plex86 at this time. When you talk about the "comunity" do you mean the user "comunity"? Or the "comunity" of those discussing this list on itself? Do you mean the "comunity" of those who like to think they own plex86? Has anyone read the LGPL license? Regards, Joaquim 10-04-2002 5:46:14, "Dr. Yasha Karant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >1. Under the Intellectual Property guidelines of CSUSB, the University >owns nothing of academic work, including work done as part of research, >student projects, independent studies, or class work. The Intellectual >Property remains that of the originators: faculty and students. > >2. Working with the community is no problem, although as with all voluntary >projects, there is no guarantee of continuity. Once we have something >operational (fully operational) per an SRS (or the equivalent), future >development and maintenance may return to the "community". > >3. I am assuming that "ownership" is under the GPL or equivalent, as >Plex86 is *NOT* a for-profit venture (unlike VMWare). > >4. Any innovative algorithms would be presented, along with implementations. > >Do the above satisfy you, or do you want to continue with the status quo, >without even the resources of entities such as the FSF? > >I am *NOT* a student, and I have been doing kernel internals "professionally" >starting in grad school. I also would attempt to "clean up" the design >and documentation to follow some semblance of software engineering >principles. I am a practitioner, not a theorist. > >> I like the idea on pedagogical grounds, but unless some _very_strict_ >> guidelines are followed, we will have to continue to decline. >> >> First off, this is a live project--so your students would need to work as >> closely with this community as with you. >> >> Second, we'd need to make sure that Cal State San Bernadino waves it's >> claim to ownership on any work that a student does for a class--as they >> could try to shut us down based on that if your students contribute as >> part of a class. This is a real problem and cannot be ignored. >> >> There are other issues, and if you'd like to discuss the idea further, I'd >> be willing the think it over--but I'm not going to let anything threaten >> the independence of this project. >> >> Also, it should be noted that: >> >> I'm a student myself, and I do this because I like it, in my own free >> time--and would not feel compelled to do the >> _extreemely_high_quality_work_ that I am willing to demand here if it were >> for a class. >> >> There is nothing wrong with a group of students & professors joining this >> project in a manner independent of Cal State--so long as it is understood >> that this is the case (and therefore the school owns none of it). There >> is obviously more to this than it sounds, and I will tell you now that it >> behooves you to find out what else may apply in your situation before you >> get yourself into trouble like one of the folks over at PerlMonks did. >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Dr. Yasha Karant wrote: >> >> > Joaquim, >> > >> > I discussed the option below during the BOCHS era but was declined. >> > >> > A number of faculty in the CS community can organize student projects >> > to "finish" Plex86. There are a variety of pedagogical justifications >> > for the work. >> > >> > The practical impetus to do this is not as great as it once was due to >> > VMWare. I realize that VMWare is a very much overpriced product, and >> > that VMWare came about as a university faculty spin-off (from Stanford). >> > >> > Would the Plex86 community be willing to permit this to happen? The >> > work would result in both internal publications/presentations at >> > the participating departments and probably some submissions to regular >> > journals/conferences. Moreover, we would attempt to make the basic >> > design (not the details of the implementation) portable to IA-64 because >> > that will be the next great push of the monopoly, after .NET . >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > Yasha Karant >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > > >> > > There was a time I started thinking that some Microsoft employee was >> > > in control of this list and he was doing his best to stop plex86 development. >> >> You give them too much credit. They're too busy to bother right now >> anyhow--you know it is hard work trying to take over the free world. >> >> > > >> > > We must all stop pretending to be programmers, pretending to be >> > > interested and pretending that we care. >> > > >> > > We must find someone with spare time to work on plex86 or this project >> > > will die. >> >> I'm working on it right now. Look at the savannah page, there is plenty >> to do. I'm not your mother, I'm not going to tell you what to do. It is >> your responsibilityto figure out how to put on your socks in the >> morning--and it is also your responsibility to figure out what you are >> going to do each day. If you choose to be part of this project then do >> so. Write some code. Run some tests. Come up with new ideas, some >> perviously overlooked documentation--you just grace us with your presence >> from time to time. >> >> > > >> > > It's unbelievable that we all find time to discuss and irrelevant questions >> > > and no one writes a single line of plex86 code. >> > > >> >> Christophe is writing code, I'm writing code--and I'm sure that there are >> others out there whom are capable of doing the same. Stop complaining and >> do something useful. As for discussing the list, it is useful--though >> time consuming. If anybody knows where to find Ulrich Wigand, then tell >> him we need to find out who supposedly maintains this list. I'd be happy >> to split the work with a couple of other people if he can't do it anymore. >> >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > Joaquim Carvalho >> >> |^^^ | | |^^| |^^^ Drew Northup, N1XIM |^^| | |^^^ \ / /^^\ /^^~ >> |__ | | | | | |__| | |___ \/ |__| |__ >> | | | | | | www.plex86.org | | | /\ | | | \ >> ___| |__| |__| |___ web.syr.edu/~suoc/ | |___ |___ / \ __/ __/ >> >> >> > > > >
