Hi Drew,

On really stupid question..  I've kinda watched the mails go by and have 
kinda of wondered what they meant and even read half of them...but I'm 
still not yet sure (and its not apprent to me from the website)..  The 
CVS at fastxs seems to be frozen in time about 7 mos ago...is this true?

I can't seem to connect to savannah.org and the CVS web doesn't seem to 
work.  So for the stupid question... Supposing I wanted to beta test 
Plex86 and maybe even submit patches...where would I go to get the 
latest source?  

While I understand your frustration, I think if this project is to 
continue some effort to shore up the resources (website) and 
"community-build" must be attended to.  And I think you may be in the 
hot seat (chosed or self-chosen).  I'd offer to help but I've no idea 
where to even grab the sources to do so!

Some folks who desperately want to see this succeed and want to get 
involved but don't know where to start might want a "go do this"... 
 Thats understandable.  On the project I'm involved with I keep a few of 
these and practically have a form letter.  1 in 100 actually follow 
through but it ends up saving me a lot of work ;-)

-Andy

Drew Northup wrote:

>Well.... problem #1:  Most of the original development team is gone.  I
>can't even really claim to be an original--I joined maybe 3 or 4 months in
>as a crash-tester.
>#2: People expect me to tell them what to do.  Kevin had big problems with
>this too.  Find something that annoys you and fix it.
>#3: People expect that they can't do any work on something that seems
>broken--and stop trying
>#4: People aren't willing to go through the long and dirty process of
>collecting error messages and troubleshooting them.
>
>I can't put all of my time into this project, but I'm going to be here to
>the end--whatever that may be.  I'm very annoyed that people think that
>the CVS needs to be moved before they can start work--as that is bullshit.
>I've been working off of 2 different CVS versions--it can be done.  I've
>put up some TODO's on savannah more than anything else in the hopes that
>people will see the task lists and say "I can work on that," or "hey
>something needs to be done about this, and it isn't on the list."  At
>least there has been traffic on this mailinglist--even if it has been
>opinionated garbage and SPAM in some cases.
>
>There is stuff to do.  Chistophe could use some help streamlining the
>plugin system.  There has been talk about modding the device I/O for some
>time here--since April last year.  My ideas turned out not to be useful,
>but Eric Laberge's basic plugin framework has caught on in both plex86 and
>in bochs.
>
>There are lots of odd error messages still not fixed, lots of emulation
>bugs, and lots of speed issues to solve.
>
>And, probably most importantly, the GUI seems to have some problems.  If
>it doesn't work for you then we need to figure out why.  If it does,  same
>thing.  I can't do all of this myself.  Nobody can.
>
>Please pick something about plex86 that you think that you can make
>better, play with it, and send in a patch for everybody else to see.
>
>
>On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Rustem, Yul wrote:
>
>>I've been following this list for over two years now & nothing has
>>happened...
>>
>>VMWare is up to version 3+ 
>>
>>Why?
>>
>>Yul Rustem
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ged Haywood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>>Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 8:40 AM
>>To: Joaquim Carvalho
>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: [plex86] bye
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Joaquim Carvalho wrote:
>>
>>>I joined the list because I wanted to help.
>>>I'm a programmer.
>>>I was on the list for almost an year.
>>>Nothing happened.
>>>You all talk about irrelevant stuff.
>>>I could say a lot more but I don't want to.
>>>Decades will pass and plex86 will still be stuck.
>>>This is all childish and silly in a bad way.
>>>Goodbye to you all.
>>>
>>He's right.
>>
>>Goodbye from me too.
>>
>>73,
>>Ged.
>>
>>
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