Lisa,
to me, being someone who has a good relationship with PLUG and Hans, I
feel that your post is offensive, not just to Hans, but to everyone who
considers PLUG to be a positive influence for the greater metro Phoenix
area.
Can the functioning of PLUG be improved? Of course, like almost
everything. I for my part appreciate the work PLUG (and by extension
Hans) is doing, and given the demands of our individual lives, I believe
it is commendable!
Regarding your claims of sexual harassment, you might want to consider
its definition (which, as you might now, governs the workplace). I found
this link
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm From the
information I have, it seems unlikely that what you describe would
qualify for sexual harassment!
I think your post abundantly shows your displeasure with the way things
are, and you don't have to repeat it any more. If you have such a low
opinion of matters relating to PLUG, you always have the options to
either branch out on your own, or find an organization with which you
can have a better relationship.
I wish you lots of success with the hackfest and other efforts you
undertake, and I hope you are sufficiently motivated by their benefits,
and can accept others making decisions about calendar entries that you
disagree with.
Walter
On 11/30/2014 08:22 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
Hans/(All),
PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is
going to have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via
schedule removal a healthy regular popular venue.
PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") is going to have to reference when those rules
were published and when they were delivered to me.
EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not
allow:
1) Specific wording in announcements.
2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content.
3) Presentation postings.
Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own
websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include:
Ryan Rix
Alan Dayley
Joseph Sinclair
Brian Cluff
Alexander Henry
The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with
other cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los
Angeles and Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG
can be.
Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars
each year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like
Installfest without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3
rider under another PLUG to allow income tax relief.
Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and
issues:
http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html
http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html
http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html
http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html
The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and
venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools
(other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct
teacher]) are obvious.
The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year
successful event like the HackFest is HUGE.
I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want
support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove
"Presidential dictatorship") with a long laundry list of reasons from
sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger
to women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during
public community events [which I have experienced twice myself]) to
outright misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local
businesses] and PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project
ABLEConf) as well as inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa
Community College during "OpenSource" community venues.
I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities,
but "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live
in threat of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle
relationships" (or make decisions like drop a healthy venue without
written rules or warning) is nothing more than a "GANG" and is
destined to die.
1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from
the calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not
called or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and active
interns have been historically very changeable and this could be
easily arranged at DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck.
2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more
than one mailing list with the same content is disallowed? It is not
on any of the mailing list phxlinux.org <http://phxlinux.org> pages?
3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any
PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day?
Is that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH]
I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released
in the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will
happily leave the phxlinux.org <http://phxlinux.org> and PLUG name out
of that code.
Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the
mailing lists.
Happy ThanksGiving
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:
moin moin Lisa,
I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd
Saturday of
every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar?
You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your
own web
site and mailing list for your group.
You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop
cross-posting to multiple lists.
ciao,
der.hans
Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students
from ITT and
strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra
credit to their
security students for attendance.
DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is
actually
used in context with student related open source activities)
at OneNeck
which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN
server, Security
Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration
purposes, all of
which has been built entirely with community contributed
assets and intern
effort. We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use,
promotional tee
shirts and shared DefCon videos each year.
We have a large following of local security professionals,
with visits from
University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the
Army and
GoDaddy staff.
I have received no notice related to any new requirements or
change?
I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list
since 2008
and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements?
Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the
PLUG Schedule.
2nd Saturday of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM.
DeVry University
Thanks
--
# http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.PhxLinux.org/
# A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from
AOL. The
# login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal"
is like
# a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from
AOHell :).
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