What you described is why giving the Internet away is a bad idea. Right
now the Internet is stable. If you have countries and businesses
fighting over things, my fear is you and I will suffer.
In it purist form we are all stake holders and each one of us benefit
from what we know as the Internet. If we start having wars over
control, that could mean a melt down in the short term and in a perfect
world the creation of another Internet for the U.S.A. so our economy can
live.
Have you given any thought of what it was like before the P.C, Internet,
and cellular? I'll bet there are people on this list that know no other
world than what we have today.
I was in my mid twenties when I first saw a P.C. It was an IBM with an
8088 or 8086 CPU, about 256k RAM, one or two 160K floppies, and a 14
inch monochrome monitor, and it cost about $3000. To put that in
perspective I made $13000 in 1981.
We had pay phones. A call cost a nickel, then a dime, and finally a
quarter. When these coins were actually worth something.
It would take 3 or 4 people to pick your order and complete an invoice
in a warehouse.
That was 35 years ago.
If we lose the Internet we will have to regress 35 years while having
some really powerful technology that is worth much less than it is
connected to the Internet.
Why would anyone want to mess with something so valuable and something
our economy depends on? We cannot unravel 20 - 35 years of changes in
the blink of an eye.
Maybe you do not believe our economy is so fragile, however it is.
Especially today.
On 2016-08-30 13:31, James Dugger wrote:
I don't agree that names are not important. They aren't relative to
computers but our human society and economics literally runs on name
recognition in one way or another. Working for the largest registrant
in the world I can tell you that name recognition is everything in
the internet. I recently heard 2 domain name experts estimate that
the name LA.COM [2] is worth between 10 and 15 million dollars. The
top 10% of the corporate world have spent 100's of billions over the
past 25 years to secure their trademarked names in the domain space.
Those companies alone have more money and more control in most of the
economic world than many of the countries that would want to sensor.
And many of them operate inside of these countries. Piss off Walmart
too much in China and China can loses hundreds of millions in tax
revenue.
Also ICANN is only one element of the internet. You cannot discount
infrastructure owners those like AT&T and Comcast that actually own
most of the fiber, and Verizon, AT&T and Sprint etc that have the
rights to most of the radio frequency bandwidth. These players are
not going to just lay down and accept less money because someone else
can mucker with naming authority.
What about registrants and DNS resolution companies such as Go Daddy
and VeriSign and the rest. They aren't going to lay down and let
someone pull more money out of there purse strings trying to regulate
and make them irrelevant.
For the reasons above I believe that whoever ends up with control of
ICANN will have several very large gorillas to deal with.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]>
wrote:
well, so long as you have IP addresses, names are not that
important. That is the key right there. since ICANN deals mostly
with assigned names, it should be easy to work around.
now, this may be a tauter simplistic view of the problem and
solution, but then, it's the simplest solutions that often work
best.
Mind you, I am not an expert on the net generally or its
infrastructure in particular (no one is). My specialty involves
security and that is where I am good at things. everything else
would require additional study for me (and at my age, there just
wouldn't be enough time to learn it all and still keep up with all
the changing tech).
So, your question, as stated, seems like a paradox. In some ways,
it is, but in others, there is simply no issue.
-eric
On Aug 29, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
How can we circumvent the current system and use the current
infrastructure?
On 2016-08-29 10:00, Eric Oyen wrote:
ok, I see some issues here.
first off, I am a conservative. I don't hide it but, then, I
don't
trumpet it either. As far as I am concerned, politics should
have very
little to do with technology or how it gets implemented.
Unfortunately, politics has injected itself into our very lives
in the
form of regulations, some of which govern how we can use the
net. To
my mind, that is a very bad thing. if you really want to see
examples
of how bad it can get, take a look at china, russia, the entire
middle
east, and some places in South America.
now that I have dispensed with the politics, I want to get down
to how
we work around onerous control of the net. Someone else
suggested a
mesh network. That's all fine and good until you want to
communicate
outside of the local area. So, how do we expand this idea? This
is
where innovation in technology comes into play. It's purely
technical
and solves a problem (and no politics involved).
so, there it is, how do we work around this problem and not get
political doing it?
-eric
On Aug 29, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Nathan England wrote:
Amazing how clear every thing becomes when you take a deep
breath!... and
burry your head in the sand.
On Monday, August 29, 2016 1:43:22 AM MST [email protected]
wrote:
My suggestion?
Taking a deep breath, pouring the Koolaid down the drain
instead of drinking
it, and repeating to yourself, "I should really stop jumping
on every
conspiracy bandwagon I see."
Seriously, I have little doubt that if we had a republican
president and a
democratic majority in congress was attempting to block this
very same
change you would see articles criticizing the block and
talking about how
government can't do anything right. What's going on now is
that instead of
a single company holding a government granted monopoly to run
the DNS and
numbering system there would be a group of companies and
organizations
doing the same thing -- with a US threat to seize control of
it again if
they misbehave.
And as for fears this will lead to balkanization brought up in
another post
-- there have been threats to balkanize the Internet if
control of the DNS
system remained a monopoly held by a single US company or
government
agency. This is probably a damned it you do, damned if you
don't decision.
In the long run it's probably inevitable that no matter which
way this
decision goes there will be more fracturing. We're probably
very lucky to
have gone this far with as little fracturing as there has
been. I can even
see Moral Majority types on the right demanding tighter
controls over the
Internet in the US to crack down on "adult" content which
would pretty much
require making a US Internet with closely watched gateways to
the outside
(censorship and political correctness are not something unique
or
restricted to the right or left, there's just different names
attached).
Having thing not being run by one single company operating
under a
government granted monopoly might make it just a slight bit
harder for that
to happen.
But really, I suppose we should panic. It's not as if the
conspiracy
theorists have ever been wrong. After all Texas has been under
Martial Law
ever since Jade Helm, every Hurricane for decades has resulted
in thousands
disappearing into FEMA death camps, there's all folks who lost
homes to
imminent domain to built the Mexi-Canadian superhighway that's
exempt from
US jurisdiction, and after a decade I still haven't gotten
used to these
new Ameros that replaced the dollar...
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