What are some of the gotchas he can expect in installing: server ->
delta desktop repository -> delta desktop gui -> no more than two days
tweaking system? OR:
desktop install -> delta server -> tweak?
I'd expect using the server distro as the base to work better with a
server enabled workstation, but that's just a layperson's hunch.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Plus one for the server install DVD. If you are going to do
anything out of the norm, always reach for the server install.
Then just apt install kubuntu-desktop when everything is done
installing.
Kde neon is pretty good right now and about the only way to get an
up to date kde experience right now, but it will still use the
Ubuntu installer. It would probably be best for you to use the
server install cd, then add the neon repositories, and then
install the the neon-desktop
Brian Cluff
On November 7, 2016 1:17:07 PM MST, Stephen Partington
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Wow. you worked much harder with the desktop install media
than i would have. I usually 86 the desktop install media and
just use the server install media to get the LVM/Raid settings
i want to use. i just have to remember to disable the network
wait on boot.
I am about to try something like this again for a while as
Windows 10 is irking me again more and more.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Michael Butash
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sorry for the fire and forget, had to rebuild a data
center for a customer over the weekend - I was just really
hoping to have the darn box up before I left to work on it
remote, such a simple feat normally, but I had no time for
anyways.
Rest inline...
On 11/03/2016 03:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:38:24 -0700
Michael Butash <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This is really why I have a hate/love relation
with ubuntu, it never
fails to disappoint. My road to 16.04 has been
all upgrades so far,
this time I'm using 16.04.1 cd's from scratch.
Curious: What do you love about it? You seem like the
kind of person
who could work with any distro.
Short answer, it usually works where others do not with my
graphics, a 6-head amd video card which until recently, I
used all ports on.
Long story, probably tldr (you asked!), definitely
love/hate...
After my last straw with windoze and making the decision
to force myself to use linux to both learn and abandon m$
shitty ecosystem circa 2006, I tried a bit of everything
disto-wise. I always loathed redhat and rpm hell (no, yum
didn't entirely fix this, and much later), I came from
slackware/open|freebsd/solaris background having no desire
to go back, and oddly landed on Mandrake for a bit. Until
I started hacking on it, and things came unglued.
I decided to try Ubuntu after reading about debian roots
I've heard praised (tried for 2 seconds, got annoyed,
don't remember now why), I think 6.04 at the time, and
oddly it "just worked".
I didn't begin to have any real issues until 10.10 until
the era of unity hell began, and they started trying to
make Ubuntu install more idiot-proof for, well idiots.
Sadly it removed all the good features like complex raid,
crypto, and lvm setup, making it about as stupid as
possible, but there was always the alt installer and just
simply not using unity, if I could just get the damn os on
a system. Thanks Canonical.
They then pissed on that, fiddling with (breaking) the alt
installer removing fdisk (it's what I used for my
raid+crypto+lvm setup), and ultimately doing away with the
alt installer all together as insult to injury. Again I
worked around them in other ways, building my fs manually
with an arch cd first learning how to build it all
manually from busybox again, and trick the netboot
installer into working over it. Thanks again Canonoical.
Around 2014, I got really annoyed after dist-upgrade blew
up my system that I decide to sojourn a bit and explore
distros again with a new laptop I'd gotten. I couldn't
even get fedora's vaunted installer to reproduce my
raid+crypt+lvm setup, and despised the notion of going
back to it anyways, but at the request of a friend that
for some reason likes it, tried. Even tried Red Hat's
official installer, more broken than fedora, scratch
either/or. Tried Arch too, got to a desktop, and found
hell with the AMD drivers and graphics capabilities in
general.
I settled on Mint Debian edition with Mate, as Cinnamon
was all sorts of broken with compositing on even the most
basic intel gpu, which seemed like instant fail. Mate was
great, and used that for a bit until with some new ssd's
I'd begun to rebuild my desktop with mint de mate, and
found ATI graphic hell in my desktop. AMD only cares
about fedora/ubuntu as a linux entity, knew it would
likely work there, and again hacked ubuntu back onto my
system. It's the same install I'm using today, and
eventually moved my laptop back to ubuntu.
What I really can't fathom is how Canonical can keep
breaking their installers in such new and creative ways
each time, and only I seem to notice, but then again, I
expect linux features most people don't know even exist or
care about like raid, crypto, or volume management.
If BTRFS or ZFS supported better encryption, I'd love to
use one native fs to do all the raid/crypto/lvm in it. I
think as of this year, either/both might, so worth
exploring, but I bet ubuntu's installers will still suck
in dealing with them.
Yes, AMD is a root evil for linux graphics and at times
the kernels, but nvidia to this day still has not put out
a 6-head video card like AMD that I actually use all 6
ports of. Now I have 3x montiors (well, tv's), so this
new one has a nice new 1070 card in it. Which thanks to
their crappy business practices too of not releasing
firmware immediately (that amd would decompile), I know
nouveau has issues with, and the binary drive is
necessary. I'm handy with cli here, not too worried, more
that their drivers suck too these days.
I really don't want to have to make a circle of
distro's to end up
back here again, but ubuntu is always so basically
dysfunctional
these days with the most basic things, it's hard
to want to care.
I wonder how much others have seen this. This is
with legacy boot in
bios, no uefi crap, and just a basic d-i based
ubuntu server install,
and/or kubuntu.
I used Ubuntu for several years because it "just
works." The trouble
was, as I got more sophisticated, Ubuntu's seatbelts
and airbags and
danger sensing devices and training wheels and all
that other stuff so
necessary to the newbie badly got in my way.
I agree, it feels almost childish to still use Ubuntu at
this stage, but nothing else has worked suitably, and I'm
somewhat tired of trying+disappointment when history has
proven most others to be inadequate or worse.
So I ditched Ubuntu for Debian, and that was great,
but then Debian
went systemd so I switched to Void Linux, and after a
rocky 5 weeks of
Void newbie-ism, Void has turned out to be the most
useful, maleable
and stable distro I've ever used. I've used Void for
over a year now.
That's why I tried Mint Debian Edition - figured deb it
might suck less and just wanted a modern ui, but found
that their driver support for AMD, or rather a support for
modern versions thereof for graphics were fairly lacking,
and no one from a major org cares enough to fix it. I
simply could not get their kernel to take the amd driver,
which was a non-starter. It's actually what drove me
finally back to Ubuntu natively just for a working video
solution, and at times keeps me bound.
I think you've probably outgrown Ubuntu.
See above. It tends to work great as long as I don't have
to 1) install it via "normal" means or 2) upgrade it, both
often suck these days. Both have simply continued to get
worse and worse, and I only encounter them every few years
out of necessity of they are also both my primary means of
working as my own business. Once I hit 14.04 stable, I
upgraded only upon absolute necessity core functions like
kernel or desktop libs, and only essential apps that
require them (browsers really), but otherwise didn't
upgrade core until 16.04 when it released. That's been a
current longer evolutionary story I'll get to eventually.
BUT, as far as your current no-booting installer
problem, I wonder if
your media are bad. Just for fun, boot System Rescue
CD and have a look
around the system to verify no disk or RAM problems,
and that the
processor is what you think it is. If you can't boot
System Rescue CD
either, that points an accusing finger at your DVD drive.
This is something I'd seen before actually, I'd mentioned
another time about arch and disk-label usage. I don't
think it's media, but who knows. My 10 year old spindle of
dvd-r's might be breaking down by now, but first time I've
seen this with a anything, why I tried both the built-in,
and a usb, of which I've used hundreds of times to boot
things, almost always said linux boxes over the past 10
years, another not long ago.
Also, try burning your disks with cdrecord (or wodim)
instead of a gui.
I use a command something like this:
cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 padsize=63s driveropts=burnfree \
-pad -dao -v -eject myimage.iso
The padsize=63s and -pad help with the Linux readahead
bug. Burnfree
means you don't unknowingly make coasters or bad discs
if your computer
can't deliver the data fast enough.
If you perform the burn like I mentioned above, you
*should* be able to
md5 check the disc to the same md5sum as the iso file
by following
directions here:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm
Interesting - I've not had to adjust a cd like that using
k3b on linux ever or nero in win since doing so for
pirated drm games. Only time seeing something like that is
using unetbootin to make the usb where it doesn't know the
iso expects a certain disk label to exist. This seemed
more a sloppy iso build in the few hours I had with the
system and ample frustration to write that.
Thank you for that tidbit, I'll try it after I fiddle with
the bios more on this. I'm going to try a kde neon build
(really what I'm interested in more here), I just didn't
have the time as it showed up 5 hours before I had to
pack, sleep, and hop on a plane (sad, I know). It's a
t7910 precision dell, more a server board than desktop, so
I'd really expect better behaviour here on either pc or
ubuntu.
I'll update when I get to it tonight hopefully.
HTH,
SteveT
Steve Litt
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Your Own Business
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