What are some of the gotchas he can expect in installing: server
-> delta desktop repository -> delta desktop gui -> no more than
two days tweaking system? OR:
desktop install -> delta server -> tweak?
I'd expect using the server distro as the base to work better
with a server enabled workstation, but that's just a layperson's
hunch.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Plus one for the server install DVD. If you are going to do
anything out of the norm, always reach for the server
install. Then just apt install kubuntu-desktop when
everything is done installing.
Kde neon is pretty good right now and about the only way to
get an up to date kde experience right now, but it will still
use the Ubuntu installer. It would probably be best for you
to use the server install cd, then add the neon repositories,
and then install the the neon-desktop
Brian Cluff
On November 7, 2016 1:17:07 PM MST, Stephen Partington
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Wow. you worked much harder with the desktop install
media than i would have. I usually 86 the desktop install
media and just use the server install media to get the
LVM/Raid settings i want to use. i just have to remember
to disable the network wait on boot.
I am about to try something like this again for a while
as Windows 10 is irking me again more and more.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Michael Butash
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sorry for the fire and forget, had to rebuild a data
center for a customer over the weekend - I was just
really hoping to have the darn box up before I left
to work on it remote, such a simple feat normally,
but I had no time for anyways.
Rest inline...
On 11/03/2016 03:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:38:24 -0700
Michael Butash <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This is really why I have a hate/love
relation with ubuntu, it never
fails to disappoint. My road to 16.04 has
been all upgrades so far,
this time I'm using 16.04.1 cd's from scratch.
Curious: What do you love about it? You seem like
the kind of person
who could work with any distro.
Short answer, it usually works where others do not
with my graphics, a 6-head amd video card which until
recently, I used all ports on.
Long story, probably tldr (you asked!), definitely
love/hate...
After my last straw with windoze and making the
decision to force myself to use linux to both learn
and abandon m$ shitty ecosystem circa 2006, I tried a
bit of everything disto-wise. I always loathed
redhat and rpm hell (no, yum didn't entirely fix
this, and much later), I came from
slackware/open|freebsd/solaris background having no
desire to go back, and oddly landed on Mandrake for a
bit. Until I started hacking on it, and things came
unglued.
I decided to try Ubuntu after reading about debian
roots I've heard praised (tried for 2 seconds, got
annoyed, don't remember now why), I think 6.04 at the
time, and oddly it "just worked".
I didn't begin to have any real issues until 10.10
until the era of unity hell began, and they started
trying to make Ubuntu install more idiot-proof for,
well idiots. Sadly it removed all the good features
like complex raid, crypto, and lvm setup, making it
about as stupid as possible, but there was always the
alt installer and just simply not using unity, if I
could just get the damn os on a system. Thanks
Canonical.
They then pissed on that, fiddling with (breaking)
the alt installer removing fdisk (it's what I used
for my raid+crypto+lvm setup), and ultimately doing
away with the alt installer all together as insult to
injury. Again I worked around them in other ways,
building my fs manually with an arch cd first
learning how to build it all manually from busybox
again, and trick the netboot installer into working
over it. Thanks again Canonoical.
Around 2014, I got really annoyed after dist-upgrade
blew up my system that I decide to sojourn a bit and
explore distros again with a new laptop I'd gotten.
I couldn't even get fedora's vaunted installer to
reproduce my raid+crypt+lvm setup, and despised the
notion of going back to it anyways, but at the
request of a friend that for some reason likes it,
tried. Even tried Red Hat's official installer, more
broken than fedora, scratch either/or. Tried Arch
too, got to a desktop, and found hell with the AMD
drivers and graphics capabilities in general.
I settled on Mint Debian edition with Mate, as
Cinnamon was all sorts of broken with compositing on
even the most basic intel gpu, which seemed like
instant fail. Mate was great, and used that for a
bit until with some new ssd's I'd begun to rebuild my
desktop with mint de mate, and found ATI graphic hell
in my desktop. AMD only cares about fedora/ubuntu as
a linux entity, knew it would likely work there, and
again hacked ubuntu back onto my system. It's the
same install I'm using today, and eventually moved my
laptop back to ubuntu.
What I really can't fathom is how Canonical can keep
breaking their installers in such new and creative
ways each time, and only I seem to notice, but then
again, I expect linux features most people don't know
even exist or care about like raid, crypto, or volume
management.
If BTRFS or ZFS supported better encryption, I'd love
to use one native fs to do all the raid/crypto/lvm in
it. I think as of this year, either/both might, so
worth exploring, but I bet ubuntu's installers will
still suck in dealing with them.
Yes, AMD is a root evil for linux graphics and at
times the kernels, but nvidia to this day still has
not put out a 6-head video card like AMD that I
actually use all 6 ports of. Now I have 3x montiors
(well, tv's), so this new one has a nice new 1070
card in it. Which thanks to their crappy business
practices too of not releasing firmware immediately
(that amd would decompile), I know nouveau has issues
with, and the binary drive is necessary. I'm handy
with cli here, not too worried, more that their
drivers suck too these days.
I really don't want to have to make a circle
of distro's to end up
back here again, but ubuntu is always so
basically dysfunctional
these days with the most basic things, it's
hard to want to care.
I wonder how much others have seen this.
This is with legacy boot in
bios, no uefi crap, and just a basic d-i
based ubuntu server install,
and/or kubuntu.
I used Ubuntu for several years because it "just
works." The trouble
was, as I got more sophisticated, Ubuntu's
seatbelts and airbags and
danger sensing devices and training wheels and
all that other stuff so
necessary to the newbie badly got in my way.
I agree, it feels almost childish to still use Ubuntu
at this stage, but nothing else has worked suitably,
and I'm somewhat tired of trying+disappointment when
history has proven most others to be inadequate or worse.
So I ditched Ubuntu for Debian, and that was
great, but then Debian
went systemd so I switched to Void Linux, and
after a rocky 5 weeks of
Void newbie-ism, Void has turned out to be the
most useful, maleable
and stable distro I've ever used. I've used Void
for over a year now.
That's why I tried Mint Debian Edition - figured deb
it might suck less and just wanted a modern ui, but
found that their driver support for AMD, or rather a
support for modern versions thereof for graphics were
fairly lacking, and no one from a major org cares
enough to fix it. I simply could not get their
kernel to take the amd driver, which was a
non-starter. It's actually what drove me finally back
to Ubuntu natively just for a working video solution,
and at times keeps me bound.
I think you've probably outgrown Ubuntu.
See above. It tends to work great as long as I don't
have to 1) install it via "normal" means or 2)
upgrade it, both often suck these days. Both have
simply continued to get worse and worse, and I only
encounter them every few years out of necessity of
they are also both my primary means of working as my
own business. Once I hit 14.04 stable, I upgraded
only upon absolute necessity core functions like
kernel or desktop libs, and only essential apps that
require them (browsers really), but otherwise didn't
upgrade core until 16.04 when it released. That's
been a current longer evolutionary story I'll get to
eventually.
BUT, as far as your current no-booting installer
problem, I wonder if
your media are bad. Just for fun, boot System
Rescue CD and have a look
around the system to verify no disk or RAM
problems, and that the
processor is what you think it is. If you can't
boot System Rescue CD
either, that points an accusing finger at your
DVD drive.
This is something I'd seen before actually, I'd
mentioned another time about arch and disk-label
usage. I don't think it's media, but who knows. My
10 year old spindle of dvd-r's might be breaking down
by now, but first time I've seen this with a
anything, why I tried both the built-in, and a usb,
of which I've used hundreds of times to boot things,
almost always said linux boxes over the past 10
years, another not long ago.
Also, try burning your disks with cdrecord (or
wodim) instead of a gui.
I use a command something like this:
cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 padsize=63s
driveropts=burnfree \
-pad -dao -v -eject myimage.iso
The padsize=63s and -pad help with the Linux
readahead bug. Burnfree
means you don't unknowingly make coasters or bad
discs if your computer
can't deliver the data fast enough.
If you perform the burn like I mentioned above,
you *should* be able to
md5 check the disc to the same md5sum as the iso
file by following
directions here:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm
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Interesting - I've not had to adjust a cd like that
using k3b on linux ever or nero in win since doing so
for pirated drm games. Only time seeing something
like that is using unetbootin to make the usb where
it doesn't know the iso expects a certain disk label
to exist. This seemed more a sloppy iso build in the
few hours I had with the system and ample frustration
to write that.
Thank you for that tidbit, I'll try it after I fiddle
with the bios more on this. I'm going to try a kde
neon build (really what I'm interested in more here),
I just didn't have the time as it showed up 5 hours
before I had to pack, sleep, and hop on a plane (sad,
I know). It's a t7910 precision dell, more a server
board than desktop, so I'd really expect better
behaviour here on either pc or ubuntu.
I'll update when I get to it tonight hopefully.
HTH,
SteveT
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