Id be more shocked if the government was being efficient. Dtfm, special signals, and intricate plans? Sure!
A vpn and ten minutes of work? Color me shocked. > On Dec 1, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote: > > well, that is possible. taking the audio and streaming it to a specific > location is definitely within the realm of possibility. > > still, wouldn't it be easier to use a vpn along with 2 other forms of > encryption to get the same result? > > -eric > from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Too many secrets Dept. > >> On Dec 1, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: >> >> Which means that the ‘out of band’ cannot get ‘out of your subnet’, and >> probably won’t even get ‘past your Ethernet hub/switch/router/whatever’ into >> which the other end of your Ethernet cable is plugged. >> >> Probably, unless you send it ‘loud enough’ to overwhelm the switch and get >> bleedthrough to the other lines on the switch. But I’d be surprised if you >> could get it past the NEXT switch without damage to the first one. >> >> Just guessing, though. Anybody have some switches they don’t mind >> destroying for a little test? ;-) >> >> >> (This reminds me a little bit of the ‘rumor’ of a ‘flashing eye’ that a >> hacker could manage to display on the system console of a UNIVAC 1110 series >> computer if they knew the secret incantations (and more than one was >> required, let me tell you!). >> >> Turns out, that in this case, the rumor was true, just not in the way we’d >> heard it.) >> >> Perhaps they’re putting digitized DTMF into the packet and sending it to a >> special port on the other end? (you know, port 80 is used for http, etc). >> >> Rusty >> >> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Eric Oyen >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 11:52 AM >> To: Main PLUG discussion list >> Subject: Re: Dtmf over rj45 >> >> the kernel of truth is that you can use cat-x cable to do this, but any >> ethernet switches in the line will either interrupt completely or filter out >> the extraneous data as noise. In either case, your "out of band" >> transmissions will be eaten by the first switch they come across. >> >> -eric >> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, the "you can't get from >> here to there" dept. >> >> On Dec 1, 2017, at 8:09 AM, Aaron Jones wrote: >> >> >> Not sure myself honestly. The guy was using buzz words like “out of band >> transmission” and claiming they could use dtmf and the intel me to send >> “untraceable” data without the use of IP. >> >> I am trying to be objective about it but it seems like it wouldn’t be an >> effective method of getting data out of a network. >> >> So potentially there is a kernel (heh) of truth in there. Who knows right >> now I guess. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron >> >> On Dec 1, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Steve is right you can use RJ45 to transmit. The signal but Ethernet switch >> are expecting Ethernet frames. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 1, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Stephen Partington <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Are you talking about embedding this sort of functional noise into a line >> being used by ethernet? and yes most quality switches would try to clean up >> the noise in order to secure the data unless it just created enough of an >> interruption to just disrupt the connection as a whole. >> >> RJ45 is a socket type so you can wire it to do whatever you want. you can >> use cat 4,5,6 cable to transport anything you want. I know multiple sites >> that wired ethernet cable for POTS just because it gave them the ability to >> do a number of things based on need. >> >> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Aaron Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >> Any one have any experience with dtmf (beeps and boops over phone) but using >> rj45 instead of rj11? >> >> I viewed a claim that the intel me can produce dtmf instructions that will >> be regarded as noise by tools like wireshark and can be used to transfer >> things like encryption keys surreptitiously over the net without being seen >> by monitoring tools. >> >> Essentially data is hidden in sight as noise on the line and picked up >> somewhere else. >> >> Rj11 phone line can do this. But can it be done with rj45? 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