All of my close friends are non technical. I tried to teach a couple of
them how to manage their own hosting and it did not work. I tried to
teach them simple stuff like how to FTP.
I think GoDaddy, HostGator... etc are the best it gets for them. One
lost his blog do to some tech issue at GoDaddy. AND that is going to
happen. I hosted with GoDaddy for years. I figured I could get away
with it because I am technical and had backups and could restore my
website in 10 minutes.
If all they have is a simple website or a blog then they need to know a
handful of information. One is they need someone technical they can
lean on such as a consultant. They need to do backups to avoid lost
data. WordPress plugin with S3. They will probably need help with
that.
I think we take for granted what it takes to own and manage a website.
I think it is difficult for the average person.
On 2019-09-02 04:45, James Dugger wrote:
> I have to disagree with many of the comments and suggestions thus far. As a
> devops engineer I develop, and maintain hosting platforms. I work on AWS,
> Azure, in-house bare metal. I have experience with Bluehost, Nexus,
> Hostgator, GoDaddy, Google, Linode and Digital Ocean.
>
> First, cloud computing providers are not as easy as GoDaddy or Bluehost to
> setup WordPress websites. They can come close (Linode, Google) but they are
> still each more complex, and at minimum about 4 times more expensive per
> month to operate. Anyone who says otherwise is disconnected to what
> "non-technical" means.
>
> I worked on the GoDaddy Managed WordPress team developing and managing the
> platform, I know all of the developers who are on that team. They are all
> very talented, hardworking and most importantly they believe in the platform
> they are developing. They are not "Microsofties".
>
> So let's talk about honesty. GoDaddy has gone through some issues on their
> support/sales side. There has been some toxic individuals and management on
> the support side in recent years, however my understanding is that they have
> weeded out a lot of the problem people and changed their policies. If there
> are issues with your friend's experience there, I'm positive that GoDaddy
> would make things write if notified about the issues.
>
> I think it is absolutely hilarious sometimes what I here in discussion groups
> that I would consider out of date, no longer relevant, or are simply
> anecdotally wrong, especially when it comes to GoDaddy and even Microsoft
> recently. I remember team lunches there where we would read the latest top
> ten managed WordPress platforms where Media Temple was ranked 3rd and
> GoDaddy's was ranked 8th. These blogs would pontificate about how much
> better Media Temple was then GoDaddy, never realizing that GoDaddy had bought
> Media Temple years earlier and that we had migrated their entire platform
> onto the GoDaddy Managed WordPress platform. MT sites were and are literally
> sitting adjacent to GoDaddy WordPress sites on the same servers, but somehow
> they were better. So who is being honest and who isn't.
>
> How about WPEngine in recent years they were called on the carpet because
> they were reporting more site visits than Google Analytics, which they
> denied, causing site owners to pay substantially more after going over their
> limits. However it was determined that they had not removed the bots and
> crawlers that crawl the sites to index them from their metrics. This was the
> same case for FlyWheel. And just this weekend FlyWheel reported platform
> issues, there platform was in maintenance mode for 5 hours Saturday 8/31.
> And they have not been transparent about the issues. Yet FlyWheel was
> supposed to the best new MWP hosting platform. They have lost (or should)
> any tripple-nine status they had. I know someone who may lose a client over
> this outage this weekend. The business owner that runs and manages the site
> told me just last night that they are sick of trying other hosting providers
> and are going back to GoDaddy because they will guarantee 24/7 support. They
> actually said that
they miss the feeling of security they had with GoDaddy. I have many more
actual events/issues with other hosting companies but I won't belabor the point
any more.
>
> So everyone seems to have a different opinion on each hosting company, and
> registrant. I don't get the need to switch registrants. This just seems
> trivial. The difference with one vs another is literally 2 to 3 dollars
> mostly. It takes 5 times longer to change it and setup something as
> ubiquitous as a domain name. So how valuable is your time? There never
> seems to be a shortage of people who are willing to step over dollars to save
> dimes.
>
> But hey if you just can't stand GoDaddy then I guess try Bluehost. They have
> a good reputation. I have used them on and off for 15 years. I recently
> removed a site because I just can't stand CPanel as a site admin dashboard.
> But if money is a big deal than go with a large reputable hosting provider
> that has a good track record for keeping the sites up. And is triple-nine
> rated 99.9% at least. The smaller hosting providers just don't have the
> depth or the track record.
>
> And just a quick note about Microsoft, because I know how much we love to
> hate on them. They have changed more than any other firm in the industry
> over the past 7 years. They are now the largest contributor of open source in
> the world (and that's not because they bought Github). They have a permanent
> position on the Linux Foundation. Windows 10 with the WSL version 2 summer
> 2019 update comes with a full Linux kernel built in when the WSL is
> installed. By the end of the year they are on-track to have a fully
> functional cross platform native terminal that will rival if not eclipse the
> best terminal experience on either Linux or BSD (Apple). They still have a
> ways to go but they are seriously moving the needle weekly and monthly.
> Comparatively Linux desktop development seems stagnant, argumentative, and
> being out paced by both Apple and Microsoft.
>
> Good luck with finding an alternative to your "largest-local-provider"
> problem.
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 9:16 PM Michael Butash <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've moved all my domains to google, good or bad opinion of the org, it's far
> better than godaddy I moved from.
>
> Being an early godaddy person out here, there was some pride in keeping my
> domains there from early years, even hosting, but after acquisition, they
> filled with ex-microsofties and ex-yahoo-ers (who?), there wasn't much left
> aside from bleeding rocks as people. Just another faceless machine now with
> ambiguous purpose and dubious value. Not entirely sure how they exist these
> days as not the cheapest and far from the best...
>
> I don't host anything these days, but I just know I wouldn't host there.
>
> Hosting anything, best to see how good their peering is and round-trip time
> to servers it's on from where you and your potential visitors are coming
> from. Running mtr (an enhanced traceroute) against their servers tells you
> quick if you want to be there or not.
>
> -mb
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 6:46 PM Stephen Partington <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> For Nam services only Google DNS is really easy to use with some nice
> features. Cloudflares foray into DNS is staggeringly awesome and with many
> features and a scalable learning curve. Aka easy to use but you can do more
> as you are ready. And of course you have their other services immediately
> available. They also will do all your ssl but not the same way let's encrypt
> does. And finally dreamhost is also pretty good. But they are better geared
> to hosting and their DNS services reflect that.
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 4:58 PM Mark Phillips <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> I use NameSilo as a domain registrar and Linode for hosting. I have been
> happy with them for years now.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:34 AM David Schwartz <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> I use a company local to Phoenix as my primary registrar, NameSilo.
>
> For hosting, I use Eleven2.
>
> In general, I don't recommend using the same for both.
>
> I used NameCheap, and they're owned by the same borg entity that owns
> HostGator and tons of other hosting providers. But I've used them for years
> for name registrations.
>
> The thing I like about NameSilo is they give you a domain name Privacy option
> for FREE forever. NameCheap used to be for one year, but they may have
> changed. GoDaddy charges an absurd amount for it starting from the get-go.
>
> "Honesty" is relative in the domain world. They all have their policies and
> they all enforce their polices. But some are far worse than others.
>
> The "other" big registrar in Phx has a very "honest" bunch of policies that
> railroad you into spending a HUGE amount if you forget to renew your domain
> on-time. NameSilo and NameCheap are far more forgiving, and give you 30 days
> to renew your domain at the regular renewal rate. They're all quite "honest"
> about it, as long as you read their TOS and pay close attention to what's
> there.
>
> There's also an area that isn't talked about much, and I don't really even
> know what to call it. But you might think that every cPanel / WHM hosting
> provider is the same, since they run the same hosting software. I've found
> that's not true. Nor is it "dishonest", either.
>
> There are several dozen settings that can be enabled or disabled on cPanel /
> WHM installations, and there are various plugins that the host can also
> include if they want.
>
> The net effect is, there are some such providers that I'd say tend strongly
> towards the "paranoid" side of the scale, while others bend the other way.
>
> NameCheap is a very "paranoid" host. If you want maximum security against
> hackers and invaders, you'll like them. They get that distinction because
> they have a habit of disabling all sorts of UI options that have even the
> slightest whiff of something a hacker could use to get into your hosting
> account.
>
> I put up with this for a few months, and then moved to Eleven2, who is far
> more relaxed about things.
>
> That said, you can always get a VPS, then install cPanel / WHM or any other
> control panel, and tweak it however you like.
>
> Personally, I have a "shared reseller" type hosting account (ie, one that
> includes WHM) at Eleven2. Shared hosting tends to overload the servers after
> a while, but they usually don't put as many "reseller" accounts on a host as
> regular (single cPanel) accounts -- maybe by a factor of 10-to-1 or more --
> so they don't fill up as fast.
>
> But if your shared hosting account starts to slow down, and if you've been
> there for a while, ask to have it moved to a newer server. That's very easy
> to do with cPanel accounts, and the places I've been tend to be fairly
> accommodating if only because they'd rather not lose you to another host just
> because they don't want to spend 5 minutes moving your account.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Victor Odhner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from the
> current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good providers of
> registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within a reasonable
> cost.
>
> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good stories.
>
> I've heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a
> name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>
> I'm pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone call,
> and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of
> [_largest-of-local-providers_], so my bias is towards running away from
> [_that_], but I don't really know what choices are "out there" for innocent
> button-pressing clients.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Victor Odhner
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