On 2019-09-02 14:02, Victor Odhner wrote:
I want to thank all the folks who have responded. Responses were *all*
educational, but the main tunes are (a) that's business and something
can go wrong with any provider; and (b) that running even a simple site
is hard, and non-techies are going to be challenged; so an established
hand-holding provider environment for a WordPress blog is a good thing.
I am recommending that my friend stick with what's working. And I'll
make sure they have some backup for the contents as suggested below.
If they are storing any data in the database they will need to backup
both the files and the database.
(The offense that set this off was against a little organization we
both have connections to. The outrageous cost for an expired name
registry caused clients' management to switch to a using a secondary
URL. After some grumbling I moved on, but my friend is a justice
fighter and felt the need to make a statement.)
I think the going rate for registering a domain is $15 a year.
Occasionally I get an email that says my domain is expiring and for just
$60.... They can take care of that.... These are phishing emails that do
not come from my registrar. I've even gotten them for long expired
domains that I no longer am interested in.
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On 20190902, at 11:11, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
All of my close friends are non technical. I tried to teach a couple
of them how to manage their own hosting and it did not work. I tried
to teach them simple stuff like how to FTP.
I think GoDaddy, HostGator... etc are the best it gets for them. One
lost his blog do to some tech issue at GoDaddy. AND that is going to
happen. I hosted with GoDaddy for years. I figured I could get away
with it because I am technical and had backups and could restore my
website in 10 minutes.
If all they have is a simple website or a blog then they need to know a
handful of information. One is they need someone technical they can
lean on such as a consultant. They need to do backups to avoid lost
data. WordPress plugin with S3. They will probably need help with
that.
I think we take for granted what it takes to own and manage a website.
I think it is difficult for the average person.
On 2019-09-02 04:45, James Dugger wrote:
I have to disagree with many of the comments and suggestions thus far.
As a devops engineer I develop, and maintain hosting platforms. I work
on AWS, Azure, in-house bare metal. I have experience with Bluehost,
Nexus, Hostgator, GoDaddy, Google, Linode and Digital Ocean.
First, cloud computing providers are not as easy as GoDaddy or Bluehost
to setup WordPress websites. They can come close (Linode, Google) but
they are still each more complex, and at minimum about 4 times more
expensive per month to operate. Anyone who says otherwise is
disconnected to what "non-technical" means.
I worked on the GoDaddy Managed WordPress team developing and managing
the platform, I know all of the developers who are on that team. They
are all very talented, hardworking and most importantly they believe in
the platform they are developing. They are not "Microsofties".
So let's talk about honesty. GoDaddy has gone through some issues on
their support/sales side. There has been some toxic individuals and
management on the support side in recent years, however my
understanding is that they have weeded out a lot of the problem people
and changed their policies. If there are issues with your friend's
experience there, I'm positive that GoDaddy would make things write if
notified about the issues.
I think it is absolutely hilarious sometimes what I here in discussion
groups that I would consider out of date, no longer relevant, or are
simply anecdotally wrong, especially when it comes to GoDaddy and even
Microsoft recently. I remember team lunches there where we would read
the latest top ten managed WordPress platforms where Media Temple was
ranked 3rd and GoDaddy's was ranked 8th. These blogs would pontificate
about how much better Media Temple was then GoDaddy, never realizing
that GoDaddy had bought Media Temple years earlier and that we had
migrated their entire platform onto the GoDaddy Managed WordPress
platform. MT sites were and are literally sitting adjacent to GoDaddy
WordPress sites on the same servers, but somehow they were better. So
who is being honest and who isn't.
How about WPEngine in recent years they were called on the carpet
because they were reporting more site visits than Google Analytics,
which they denied, causing site owners to pay substantially more after
going over their limits. However it was determined that they had not
removed the bots and crawlers that crawl the sites to index them from
their metrics. This was the same case for FlyWheel. And just this
weekend FlyWheel reported platform issues, there platform was in
maintenance mode for 5 hours Saturday 8/31. And they have not been
transparent about the issues. Yet FlyWheel was supposed to the best new
MWP hosting platform. They have lost (or should) any tripple-nine
status they had. I know someone who may lose a client over this outage
this weekend. The business owner that runs and manages the site told
me just last night that they are sick of trying other hosting providers
and are going back to GoDaddy because they will guarantee 24/7 support.
They actually said that they miss the feeling of security they had
with GoDaddy. I have many more actual events/issues with other hosting
companies but I won't belabor the point any more.
So everyone seems to have a different opinion on each hosting company,
and registrant. I don't get the need to switch registrants. This just
seems trivial. The difference with one vs another is literally 2 to 3
dollars mostly. It takes 5 times longer to change it and setup
something as ubiquitous as a domain name. So how valuable is your
time? There never seems to be a shortage of people who are willing to
step over dollars to save dimes.
But hey if you just can't stand GoDaddy then I guess try Bluehost.
They have a good reputation. I have used them on and off for 15 years.
I recently removed a site because I just can't stand CPanel as a site
admin dashboard. But if money is a big deal than go with a large
reputable hosting provider that has a good track record for keeping the
sites up. And is triple-nine rated 99.9% at least. The smaller hosting
providers just don't have the depth or the track record.
And just a quick note about Microsoft, because I know how much we love
to hate on them. They have changed more than any other firm in the
industry over the past 7 years. They are now the largest contributor of
open source in the world (and that's not because they bought Github).
They have a permanent position on the Linux Foundation. Windows 10
with the WSL version 2 summer 2019 update comes with a full Linux
kernel built in when the WSL is installed. By the end of the year they
are on-track to have a fully functional cross platform native terminal
that will rival if not eclipse the best terminal experience on either
Linux or BSD (Apple). They still have a ways to go but they are
seriously moving the needle weekly and monthly. Comparatively Linux
desktop development seems stagnant, argumentative, and being out paced
by both Apple and Microsoft.
Good luck with finding an alternative to your "largest-local-provider"
problem.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 9:16 PM Michael Butash <mich...@butash.net>
wrote:
I've moved all my domains to google, good or bad opinion of the org,
it's far better than godaddy I moved from.
Being an early godaddy person out here, there was some pride in keeping
my domains there from early years, even hosting, but after acquisition,
they filled with ex-microsofties and ex-yahoo-ers (who?), there wasn't
much left aside from bleeding rocks as people. Just another faceless
machine now with ambiguous purpose and dubious value. Not entirely
sure how they exist these days as not the cheapest and far from the
best...
I don't host anything these days, but I just know I wouldn't host
there.
Hosting anything, best to see how good their peering is and round-trip
time to servers it's on from where you and your potential visitors are
coming from. Running mtr (an enhanced traceroute) against their
servers tells you quick if you want to be there or not.
-mb
On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 6:46 PM Stephen Partington
<cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
For Nam services only Google DNS is really easy to use with some nice
features. Cloudflares foray into DNS is staggeringly awesome and with
many features and a scalable learning curve. Aka easy to use but you
can do more as you are ready. And of course you have their other
services immediately available. They also will do all your ssl but not
the same way let's encrypt does. And finally dreamhost is also pretty
good. But they are better geared to hosting and their DNS services
reflect that.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 4:58 PM Mark Phillips
<m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
I use NameSilo as a domain registrar and Linode for hosting. I have
been happy with them for years now.
Mark
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:34 AM David Schwartz
<newslett...@thetoolwiz.com> wrote:
I use a company local to Phoenix as my primary registrar, NameSilo.
For hosting, I use Eleven2.
In general, I don't recommend using the same for both.
I used NameCheap, and they're owned by the same borg entity that owns
HostGator and tons of other hosting providers. But I've used them for
years for name registrations.
The thing I like about NameSilo is they give you a domain name Privacy
option for FREE forever. NameCheap used to be for one year, but they
may have changed. GoDaddy charges an absurd amount for it starting from
the get-go.
"Honesty" is relative in the domain world. They all have their policies
and they all enforce their polices. But some are far worse than others.
The "other" big registrar in Phx has a very "honest" bunch of policies
that railroad you into spending a HUGE amount if you forget to renew
your domain on-time. NameSilo and NameCheap are far more forgiving, and
give you 30 days to renew your domain at the regular renewal rate.
They're all quite "honest" about it, as long as you read their TOS and
pay close attention to what's there.
There's also an area that isn't talked about much, and I don't really
even know what to call it. But you might think that every cPanel / WHM
hosting provider is the same, since they run the same hosting software.
I've found that's not true. Nor is it "dishonest", either.
There are several dozen settings that can be enabled or disabled on
cPanel / WHM installations, and there are various plugins that the host
can also include if they want.
The net effect is, there are some such providers that I'd say tend
strongly towards the "paranoid" side of the scale, while others bend
the other way.
NameCheap is a very "paranoid" host. If you want maximum security
against hackers and invaders, you'll like them. They get that
distinction because they have a habit of disabling all sorts of UI
options that have even the slightest whiff of something a hacker could
use to get into your hosting account.
I put up with this for a few months, and then moved to Eleven2, who is
far more relaxed about things.
That said, you can always get a VPS, then install cPanel / WHM or any
other control panel, and tweak it however you like.
Personally, I have a "shared reseller" type hosting account (ie, one
that includes WHM) at Eleven2. Shared hosting tends to overload the
servers after a while, but they usually don't put as many "reseller"
accounts on a host as regular (single cPanel) accounts -- maybe by a
factor of 10-to-1 or more -- so they don't fill up as fast.
But if your shared hosting account starts to slow down, and if you've
been there for a while, ask to have it moved to a newer server. That's
very easy to do with cPanel accounts, and the places I've been tend to
be fairly accommodating if only because they'd rather not lose you to
another host just because they don't want to spend 5 minutes moving
your account.
-David Schwartz
On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net> wrote:
A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress
from the current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is
good providers of registry and hosting, with the most honest
reputations within a reasonable cost.
A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good
stories.
I've heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer
of a name which may be owned by the current registrar.
I'm pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone
call, and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of
[_largest-of-local-providers_], so my bias is towards running away from
[_that_], but I don't really know what choices are "out there" for
innocent button-pressing clients.
Thanks for any advice,
Victor Odhner
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