"Dean Michael Berris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 12/8/06, JM Ibanez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Dean Michael Berris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On 12/8/06, Daniel Escasa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> 3. I might add to Ciaran's point 3 that, from a technical standpoint, >> >> we would like to see code developed for a government agency so the >> >> public can audit it. That's one of the ideas behind open source, yes? >> >> And, being able to audit it empowers us to improve on the code. >> >> >> > >> > Actually, the ideas behind open source is for open collaboration. Only >> > the GPL had the idea of licensing the code to the general public. >> > >> > And just because it's open doesn't mean people will actually look... >> > This is the biggest misnomer that is propagated by the FOSS zealots. >> >> The fact that it's open doesn't mean people will look -- but it means >> people *CAN* look. It's called transparency. >> > > And having the government be able to look at the code is not > considered being transparent? > >> It's about the transparency. Let me repeat: Transparency, Transparency, >> Transparency. NOT about the collaboration -- with transparency, you get >> that for free. BUT, it's about Transparency, Transparency, Transparency. >> > > Answer me this: If the government was able to look at the code and > decide for itself, should that not be enough transparency? Of course > it's a bonus that the code is made public.
If the public can't see the code, then it's not transparent. To give you an analogy: say you have this all new process for recruiting and filtering/choosing government employees. BUT, and here's the kicker, only the government can get the details of the filter and selection criteria, and the PUBLIC AT LARGE can't. Of course, it's a bonus that they can. Is that transparent? >> > The only democratic exercise that the Filipino people can participate >> > in as much as the government is concerned is the election process. Go >> > look it up. >> >> And is this not also a democratic process? Is this not also a way for >> us to participate, by contesting bills that the people we have elected >> have placed before us and asked "see here, what do you think? This'll >> benefit us all." ? Can we not say "hey, I disagree" and come to a >> consensus whether or not it is indeed "good"? Because if election's the >> only democratic exercise that the Filipino people can participate in, >> then all this talk is useless. The senators and the congressmen and >> Madam President can simply issue laws without our consent. But they >> _can't_. >> > > JM. Read my statement again: as far as government is concerned, the > only democratic participation the people have is through democratic > elections. > > The other liberties tied to democracy are what we're exercising here. > I am not discounting that. > > -- > Dean Michael C. Berris > http://cplusplus-soup.blogspot.com/ > mikhailberis AT gmail DOT com > +63 928 7291459 > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) > Read the Guidelines: http://linux.org.ph/lists > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > -- JM Ibanez Senior Software Engineer Orange & Bronze Software Labs, Ltd. Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://software.orangeandbronze.com/ _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Read the Guidelines: http://linux.org.ph/lists Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
