Not sure which is worse, the initial insult or the political obfuscation 
of trying to provide damage control to said initial insult...

Jeme A Brelin wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, m0gely wrote:
>   
>> Jeme A Brelin wrote:
>>     
>>> On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I am not smart enough to learn TeX.
>>>>         
>>> Then why on Earth do you think you have anything worthwhile to add to
>>> world literature in writing a book?
>>>       
>> Wow. Just wow. And no books were ever written until $SomeTeXApp was 
>> created to write them with? All authors out there are their own 
>> publishers as well? What an arrogant comment.
>>     
>
> There has been a misunderstanding.
>
> My comment was intended to show that John is, in fact, "smart enough" to 
> learn anything he'd like.   If he can write a book, he can write it in 
> LaTeX.
>
> I'm sure he meant the line as some kind of self-deprecating humor, but the 
> humor is there to distract from the strange willfulness that is preventing 
> him from learning the best way to do the thing he wants done.   I mean, 
> InDesign?  For a whole book?  That's just silly.  It is very much like 
> pasting things up with wax, but we now have computers that do these 
> tedious tasks for us so we can concentrate our brain power on things the 
> computer cannot do (like, you know, generating the sentences that go on 
> the page).
>
> John says he can't imagine writing without seeing *exactly* what the page 
> will display as he's writing.  The problem here, of course, is that any 
> change in the way the information is presented means John has to revisit 
> every page and lay it all out again.  With a proper separation of 
> presentation from content, a single change in the class definitions 
> changes the look of the entire book from cover to cover.   Of course, he 
> also misses the dynamic referencing of chapters, formulae, and charts. 
> When John wants to add or remove a diagram, he has to go back and renumber 
> all of his diagrams.  Heaven forbid he should decide to move an entire 
> chapter -- now he has to go back and adjust the content and layout of each 
> page that referenced the headings, charts, figures, and formulae in that 
> chapter and, potentially, subsequent chapters.  It's a fucking mess.
>
> Larry Wall's concept of "false laziness" applies here in spades.
>
>   
>> He mentioned he put time into learning about it. It didn't click with 
>> him. It's too bad you felt it necessary to precede your otherwise civil 
>> reply with a remark like that.
>>     
>
> I think you're projecting a whole lot.  I don't believe John has put any 
> time into seriously considering using LaTeX for his book project.  He 
> wrote that he "suspects" there aren't classes for the formulas he would 
> like to construct.   Here's the first hit from Google:
> <URL: http://www.essex.ac.uk/linguistics/clmt/latex4ling/ >
>
> J.
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