Folks,
I have moved from SW WA to Oklahoma City. Miss the area up there but got to
go where the $$ is.

I have run into a problem, it is with the ISP. Seems that they no longer
allow you
to plug in your prefered DNS. I was having issues with their DNS I have
called
them on it, and they poke at it but no joy. Yesterday I could get to about
half
to the URL's that I either tried to reach from a browser or ping. After much
phone calls, to no avail I did a MTR on the two DNS which are HARDWIRED
in the router. I found that the primary DNS was good but 4 hops out there
is  a router with a high packet loss. To wit:

kp4djt64 (0.0.0.0)
            Wed Aug  2 16:36:05 2017
Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit

 Packets               Pings
 Host                                                                Loss%
  Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 192.168.7.1                                                       0.0%
  147    0.5   0.6   0.5   1.5   0.0
 2. 108-76-202-1.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net (108.76.202.1)       0.0%
  147   19.8  37.7  19.2 165.2  29.7
 3. 71.147.108.44                                                     0.0%
  147   20.7  21.0  19.9  26.4   0.7
 4. 71.147.64.52                                                     90.3%
  146   21.1  20.6  19.8  21.4   0.0
 5. 12.83.71.77                                                       0.0%
  146   23.8  22.4  19.5  24.9   1.1
 6. gar3.auttx.ip.att.net (12.122.100.125)                            0.0%
  146   27.2  63.0  26.0 4997. 411.2
 7. 12.120.51.106                                                     0.0%
  146   26.2  27.2  26.2  35.7   1.1
 8. dns156r9.sbcglobal.net (68.94.156.9)                              0.0%
  146   27.9  29.9  26.3 126.7  13.5

That one has gone as high as 95%+.

Now here is the secondary DNS, Lord help you if the query gets sent to it:

                                             My traceroute  [v0.86]
kp4djt64 (0.0.0.0)
            Wed Aug  2 16:41:53 2017
Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit

 Packets               Pings
 Host                                                                Loss%
  Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. homeportal (192.168.7.1)                                          0.0%
  138    0.9   2.9   0.5  20.9   4.8
 2. 108-76-202-1.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net (108.76.202.1)       0.0%
  138   33.2  41.5  19.4 139.6  33.4
 3. 71.147.108.44                                                     0.0%
  138   20.8  21.0  20.0  23.4   0.3
 4. 71.147.64.52                                                     90.5%
  138   20.6  20.4  19.9  21.2   0.0
 5. 12.83.71.77                                                       0.0%
  138   21.3  22.4  19.7  27.2   1.2
 6. gar27.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.129.221)                           0.0%
  138   65.0  66.2  63.9  69.3   1.1
 7. ???
 8. iraca00001cce9-irb-2.infra.cdn.att.net (204.127.179.5)            0.0%
  137   65.2  64.3  62.9  90.0   2.8
 9. dns157r9.sbcglobal.net (68.94.157.9)                             44.5%
  137   63.9  66.4  63.5  82.1   4.4

As you can see not only is router #4 dropping packets but the DNS server is
also
in trouble. I have tried to contact them Customer service wants to dump me
to
a billed repair service, for something that is their issue.

Since the router has the DNS hard wired I cannot change it, and the quick
fix is
just to fix the router in the path.

For the time I guess I am going to put the DNS in my main computer and let
it
do it's own queries, but all of the rest of them either I will have to do
the same
or live with it. I looked at putting another router in behind the AT&T
router, but
that drops me into double NAT ground and I do not want that.

I am trying to figure out how to get around this customer service mess to
get this
info to a real network person who can get it fixed. My other option is to
go with
the cable co (Cox) but I was trying to avoid them too.

-- 

Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better.
The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on.
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