Moving to PLUG where it belongs. On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 at 11:33, Horatio B. Bogbindero wrote: > however, i am quite disappointed with debian. i like dpkg and definitely > love apt-get. however..first, debian is a humongous waste of bandwidth > and resources. i unendlessly complain about synchronizing with external > (US-based) debian mirrors and wasting precious IPL.
"waste" is relative. Perhaps to you it's a waste, and I don't blame you. To us, however, the bandwidth is secondary to the fact that I don't have to deal with what to me is RedHat Shit (tm). And no, I'm not talking about their name trademark. I'm talking about all the new stuff that keep creeping into their distributions making it continuously more difficult for me to keep installations lite. Then of course there's the fact that I'm not very happy with the way RPM handles system-wide updates and dependencies. > i would rather have somebody give me instructions on how to mirror it > properly within campus and not have multiple people download the same > thing. You can use rsync, I think, but then you're talking about I think around 100GB (if not more) to mirror all three Debian trees. :( > adding to this is that fact that debian has this weird (i may learn to > appreciate it in the future) method for grouping applications (free, > non-US, etc...) free and nonfree have everything to do with the Debian policy for free software. Which I admire Debian for. Unlike RedHat that ships the non-free Pine (which I still use by compiling my own via "apt-get source pine" hehehe). US and non-US are because of the pathetic export regulations that thankfully the US doesn't have anymore. > second, debian has a turtle slow release cycle. this i really do not > mind but they should branch the trees at least. Well, they -DO- branch the trees. There are three: Stable, Testing, and Unstable. These get various codenames as they go along but essentially you get the view of the stability of these trees, which is inversely proportional to their release cycles. > if i downloaded the reasonably small and very stable debian 2.2rX i > would be limited to packages that are contained there and could not > experiment. however, it i want to be bleeding edge i have to apt-get > stuff from the humongous monstrosity of a branch called cid. It's sid. And I find that unless you update your entire system (ie: apt-get dist-upgrade) to sync with the unstable tree every time, you won't be using -that- much of the humongous monstrosity that is Debian/Unstable. You don't have to download everything naman eh. You just download what you wanna upgrade. And you don't even have to download it yourself, apt does that for you. > for a bandwidth gifted institution, these are not problems. but, for a > regular modem user. how long will it take me to synchronize my packages? This is a valid point. And it's still on my Debian wishlist. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. The quick releaes cycles of RedHat, Mandrake, and company come with what I perceive as shit that I'd rather not deal with. So it's a choice of which you deal with and which you don't. :) > (remember trying to do this during Linux10 at APC?) Yeah. Futile. I should've brought CDs of a Sid snapshot. > if somebody can propose a solution to these issues then maybe i can try > debian out again. There are backports in the unofficial apt sources of various programs backported for the stable tree (currently Potato). Or as I said you can just apt-get from testing/unstable those apps that you want to upgrade, which doesn't have to be everything. Or you can get those snapshots of either the testing or unstable trees from Rene Torres. --> Jijo -- Federico Sevilla III :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator :: The Leather Collection, Inc. GnuPG Key: http://jijo.leathercollection.ph/jijo.gpg _ Philippine Linux Users Group. Web site and archives at http://plug.linux.org.ph To leave: send "unsubscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the Linux Newbies' List: send "subscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
