On Fri, 10 May 2002, dek wrote:

> some people on this list said
>
> >telnet is evil., telnet does not do encryption,  telnet is a remnant of the
> past
> and some other silly things
>
> telnet _perse_  is _not_ evil,  it's a _good_ _useful_ tool thats why every
> OS  that i know of has it
> why? because it's a good tool  ( go ssh on port 110 to see check if pop3 is
> working , bah it would be great  if you could go ssh FQDN 25 and  do helo
> dude )
>
> BUT ofcourse _you_ people already _know_ that
>
> runing a telnet server (telnetd) is another thing and is dangerous, i know
> you people are pertaining to this , ofcourse sshd _is_ and in most or even
> in  every aspect _better_ ( but don't let that fool you, and make you so
> comfortable and give you a false sense of security, sshd has its own share
> of  _exploits_  too )
>
> from  http://teso.scene.at/sshd_statement.php
>
> TESO Security, and many other research groups started researching this
> vulnerability back in February, and to the best knowledge of TESO there are
> more than six different exploits for this vulnerability, which are not
> disclosed.
>
> so the moral of this boring email
>
> "right tool for the right job"
>

Also i'd like to repeat that the _ONLY_ secure server is one that follows
the following criteria _to the letter_

1. unplugged from the network
2. unplugged from AC power source
3. unplugged from UPS power source
4. disasembled into basic components
5. locked in a safe, with unknown combination
6. buried six feet underground inside a top security installation, guarded
24x7 by guards who don't know why they are there in the first place.


Security and convenience have been at odds with each other since the world
started.  Being totally paranoid about security is just as detrimental to
productivity as being totally lax about it.  The secret is finding the
correct balance.




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