> > It IS a 'cool trick'. The point is that the GNU license, used _alone_, > > is inadequate to sustain a business model in many cases. > > However, to address your point more directly, what I was saying is that > copyleft (typified by the GNU GPL) is _essential_ to some of the > aforementioned "cool tricks".
You already mentioned this. I got the meaning. No need to repeat it ad infinitum. Read my first post for this thread carefully, the key phrase being "the GPL AS-IS is insufficient....". > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-03-007-21-OP-CY > > > ...is still a turn-off or too much of a risk to many companies who would > > rather work with an MPL- or BSD- style license. > > Amusingly enough, MPL _is_ a classic copyleft. Thanks for contradicting > yourself. Amusingly enough, you're the one who seems to be concluding that "copyleft" == "extreme viral". I made no such statement. http://www.croftsoft.com/library/tutorials/gplmpl/ "The MPL avoids the three problems associated with the 'viral' nature of GPL in that it: 1. allows for the combination of MPL code with other code in a larger work without requiring that all code in the entire work be distributed under the same license;" > > ...EXTREMISTS... dictatorial.... > > The name-calling is tiresome. But I guess it's easier to than dealing > with real issues. The only issue here is I'm sick of reading about RMS. He comes off as being a whiny, self-important, dictatorial fart. Other people who have made equal or more contributions than him to the software community are far less prone to interfering with/telling others what they should do. Apparently, there are lots of strings attached with using GNU software, the foremost of which are having to endure RMS' ego and whininess and worse, to endure the jibes of those slavish GPL zealots who (having contributed much less than RMS) have to keep reminding you of what a grrrrreaaat gift GNU software has been for the world and how you must necessarily embrace "their" philosophy as a way of life. > > The existence of people whose views are like Stallman's in that they > > do not acknowledge the usefulness or practicality of open source > > licenses with terms differing from the GPL (extremists) prove that my > > earlier statements are not about a 'straw man'. > > I guess you must live in some alternative universe, where Stallman did > _not_ urge the Ogg Vorbis project to move the Vorbis code from GPL to > BSD licensing. http://old.lwn.net/2001/0301/a/rms-ov-license.php3 Wow... how atypical of him... considering how much the GNU site strongly discourages the use of even the LGPL. Shrug. "One swallow does not a spring make". RMS often has his points and he knows how to articulate them excellently and effectively, but his actions often betray the real nature of the person behind the rhetoric - someone who has far less tolerance for _real_ freedom than the words would seem to indicate. > > Extremists are all about curtailing people's freedom to believe in > > something other than what they preach.... > > Please point to one programmer whom Stallman has prevented from > specifying his own choice of licensing. One example should suffice. > Please don't spare the gory details: If RMS held a gun to someone's > head, be sure to include all the juicy bits. Leave it to you to come up with a straw man-type argument. The subject is about software licensing advocacy and you're bringing up 'guns'. > As a side note I am curious, what is RMS' stand on dual licensing? > >> Why don't you look it up? Or is it more fun just hurling mud? Translated as: "I don't know. Thus to cover up my ignorance, I have to resort to being snide." or "I DO know, but I'm such an adolescent prick so much so that instead of helping people out, I'll just use the opportunity instead to insult others". Grow up, man. Your style really turns people off. > > 3rd party Delphi *COMPONENTS*, not Delphi or Kylix itself. > > OK, regardless of what _you_ meant, then, what *I* was pointing out is > Borland's deft wielding of the GPL as part of a proprietary-software > marketing strategy. You were attempting to _correct_ me. But anyway... yes, yes... how observant... God, you are such a genius!!!! I'm going to establish a Rick Moen shrine in my computer room and burn incense in it daily... I hope that that can finally make you happy... _ Philippine Linux Users Group. Web site and archives at http://plug.linux.org.ph To leave: send "unsubscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the Linux Newbies' List: send "subscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
