Quoting Andy Sy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> However, to address your point more directly, what I was saying is that >> copyleft (typified by the GNU GPL) is _essential_ to some of the >> aforementioned "cool tricks". > > You already mentioned this. I got the meaning. No need to repeat it > ad infinitum. Read my first post for this thread carefully, the > key phrase being "the GPL AS-IS is insufficient....".
That is not entirely what you said. The exact phrase was: It's interesting to note how companies like Trolltech and MySQL find that the GNU license as-is is clearly not viable for commercial purposes and have resorted to dual licensing their offerings. That was (1) a factually sloppy hand wave, in that there are a number of GNU licences, not just one, and (2) a non-sequitur, in that you've shown no such thing: All you've shown is that Trolltech and MySQL AB understand and use strategic licensing for a couple of products. Strategic licensing is one of my favourite software concepts. It's always interesting to see proprietary software companies using copyleft as part of their product strategies. I'm going to give a lecture on the subject, later this year. >>> ...is still a turn-off or too much of a risk to many companies who would >>> rather work with an MPL- or BSD- style license. >> >> Amusingly enough, MPL _is_ a classic copyleft. Thanks for contradicting >> yourself. > > Amusingly enough, you're the one who seems to be concluding > that "copyleft" == "extreme viral". I made no such statement. I make no such conclusion. You are mistaken. And you are carefully ignoring my point that you're pointing to a copyleft licence, one _very_ close to the GNU GPL, and one to recommend to business. >> The name-calling is tiresome. But I guess it's easier to than dealing >> with real issues. > > The only issue here is I'm sick of reading about RMS. Is your copy of procmail broken? Would you like me to ship you a fresh copy? Otherwise, you would seem to be indulging in argumentum ad hominem as a lazy man's way of avoiding having to deal with actual issues. Don't tell me you don't know better. You do. [Further tedious name-calling snipped] >> I guess you must live in some alternative universe, where Stallman did >> _not_ urge the Ogg Vorbis project to move the Vorbis code from GPL to >> BSD licensing. > > http://old.lwn.net/2001/0301/a/rms-ov-license.php3 > > Wow... how atypical of him. Oh, so you mean you were speaking out of /dev/ass, had no friggin' clue about the matter you were alleging, don't even blink an eye about having been shown your assertion was _dead wrong_ -- and instead react by reverting directly back to name-calling? I see. >>> Extremists are all about curtailing people's freedom to believe in >>> something other than what they preach.... >> >> Please point to one programmer whom Stallman has prevented from >> specifying his own choice of licensing. One example should suffice. >> Please don't spare the gory details: If RMS held a gun to someone's >> head, be sure to include all the juicy bits. > > Leave it to you to come up with a straw man-type argument. > The subject is about software licensing advocacy and you're > bringing up 'guns'. Excuse me, was it you or some _different_ "Andy Sy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])" who spoke of Mr. Stallman "curtailing people's freedom to believe in something other than what they [i.e., Stallman] preach"? I'm assuming you must be talking about some major act of tyranny, involving some serious means of coercion. I have no idea if it involved Stallman placing a gun to the unfortunate victim's head. It could be extortion. It could be blackmail. It could be lead-pipe persuasion. I don't know. You tell _me_. Please elaborate with all the unpleasant details of Stallman curtailing freedom of belief. I'm sure this will be a _most_ interesting story. > > As a side note I am curious, what is RMS' stand on dual licensing? > > > >> Why don't you look it up? Or is it more fun just hurling mud? > > Translated as: "I don't know. Thus to cover up my ignorance, I have > to resort to being snide." or "I DO know, but I'm such an adolescent > prick so much so that instead of helping people out, I'll just use > the opportunity instead to insult others". Grow up, man. Your style > really turns people off. If you expect me to spend time doing research for someone who obviously values at cost (or less) what is done for him free of charge, you're going to be very disappointed. And it doesn't make any difference at all how much additional name-calling you do. -- Cheers, "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate Rick Moen those who do. And, for the people who like country music, [EMAIL PROTECTED] denigrate means 'put down'." -- Bob Newhart _ Philippine Linux Users Group. Web site and archives at http://plug.linux.org.ph To leave: send "unsubscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the Linux Newbies' List: send "subscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
