> From: Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> You probably think that your
> rural countryment should "get out of the way of progress", move to the
> cities, and become slum-dwellers so the big multi-nationals can rape
> your land?  All of this is implied in your denigration of "the left".

Wow. Now THAT'S baseless extrapolation.

> For the record, the operating system is GNU, Linux is the kernel.  It is
> only out of extreme politeness and bending over backwards that RMS has
> compromised on the term GNU/Linux.  By rights we should all be saying
> GNU *except* when referring specifically to the Linux kernel.

What the heck, "Debian GNU" does have a nice ring to it -
short and nice. Why not just drop the Linux word? (You do 
take your own arguments about OS naming seriously, don't you?) 
Linus probably wouldn't raise half the ruckus RMS did (out 
of courtesy you should at least make it clear though that 
you're doing it as a 'branding' move and not out of disrespect 
or spite). Why "bend over backwards" when no one seems to 
be insisting on such? Why all the need for "extreme politeness"?

I am not aware of any legal requirement that the Linux source code 
has to be called such and believe that by and large people just do
so because the Linux name has marketable appeal.

> heard of that either?  How about AtheOS/Linux?  Never heard of that?
> Thats odd; AtheOS (a BeOS clone) does use Linux as it's underlying
> kernel...

That's odd, the Atheos FAQ (http://www.atheos.cx/faq.php3)
categorically states that Atheos is NOT a BeOS clone, and 
*even a cursory reading* (which you did not seem to even 
bother doing) would suffice to reveal that it most certainly 
DOES NOT RUN on top of the Linux kernel.

If you are referring to Bill Hayden's efforts, then that 
project is called Cosmoe (http://www.cosmoe.com/). There
is NO SUCH THING as "Atheos/Linux". How in the world did
you come up with that??? You're not trying to pull a fast 
one on me, are you?  Because if so, you've picked the 
wrong subject - I've always been interested in AtheOS 
and BeOS and have closely monitored news on related 
developments.

Bill Hayden has described his merging of the AtheOS/BeOS API 
and porting of the OpenTracker/Deskbar window manager to run 
on Linux as a "fork of Atheos" 
(http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/2311/2002/3/100/8215112/)
but it is really more a port of certain elements running on
top of the Atheos kernel. Kurt has always wanted to have full 
control over the direction of development of the Atheos kernel 
and considering his already disappointed reaction 
(http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/msg.php3?msg_id=9215548&list=2311)
with what Bill Hayden has done (though I think he should not 
be feeling this way because after all he GPL'ed Atheos), he would 
probably go ballistic over a project that uses "Atheos/Linux" as a 
name.


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