On 13 Dec 2002, Dean Michael Berris wrote: > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 13:03, Ian C. Sison wrote: > > > And in the real world, i love dependency checks. They allow me to focus > > on what i have to do, not the nitty gritty of finding out for myself the > > dependencies or which files belong to what package. > > > > you do, but sorry ive had not very good experience regarding dependency > checks in mandrake 8.0 -- when i wanted to install some application i
I believe your reluctancy to consider the advantages of package managers and dependencies stems from this statement you made above, so i need not rebut your other points below. Dependencies are there for a reason and if one cannot appreciate its advantages, then a discussion of its merits or demerits on the same level cannot be done. Allow me then to just rebut some really FALSE claims: Mandrake comes with its own kernel and a plain vanilla linux kernel, and i believe debian ships a plain vanilla linux kernel as well. > in my case, it does and did - even thrashed my box which prompted me to > switch back to slackware after a harrowingly bad experience with > mandrake 8.0. Any bad experience may mean several things, and certainly DOES NOT automatically mean that the particular technology is broken or fundamentally flawed. Most of the time it means it was not used properly. > ever wondered why the slackware packaging system is still around? yes, > there are fancy dependency checks, and auto-install features in some > packaging systems which i may repeat -- I (personally) DO NOT NEED. that > which i do not need is bloat to me. Yes, as i said many people do not appreaciate the benefits therefore claim that they do not need it. Unfortunately, many people also do not understand the technology, use it incorrectly, experience catastrophic failure and then knock it down later claiming it to be not useful to them. Let it be clear that i am not accusing you nor anyone, and even i myself am guilty of that on occasion so bato bato sa langit... > but ill face it. sure, slack doesnt offer these services so its just > mandatory that i not need it in my current situation. but i've been able > to work without it, which goes to show that yes, i can live without > automatic dependency checks. sure, i'm a bit masochistic you may say, > but then that's me. ;) People can live without a lot of things. In some areas of the country, there is still no electricity or phone service. But they are alive, and their existence in the planet is not threatened. People adapt to the environment they are used to. And you can't blame them for not being able to experience, use, and appreciate better technology. And you can't blame them either for NOT WANTING to use better technology as well. > best practices says who? pkgtool is mature. but if some dumb know-it-all > would try to do something which he has no knowledge about, then there > we'll have problems. Any technology in the hands of novices is dangerous. Any technology in the hands of the closed minds is knocked at and ignored, and later criticized to be not useful. > slackware 8.1 is up to date, have you seen one working already? it is > very maintainable, and easier to administer IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE > DOING. Ehem, i started learning linux with Slackware back in 1994, i owe slackware my roots as a linux professional, but i know how far the primitive package management system can take me, and moved on to RPM based distros since. > well dont trust my word for it -- try if for yourself if you havent. now > if you're not like me who doesnt want the easy way out of things, and > shortcuts for the job, then suit yourself -- we're two different people > after all. ;) The difference between us - i respect, since you've obviously made up your mind already, however there must be someone who can explain to the list the other side of the 'slackware advocacy' thread. There are others on this list who can benefit by knowing both sides, and leave it up to them to make a sound decision. _ Philippine Linux Users Group. Web site and archives at http://plug.linux.org.ph To leave: send "unsubscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Searchable Archives With Friendly Web Interface at http://marc.free.net.ph To subscribe to the Linux Newbies' List: send "subscribe" in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
