Hey mister Zak, I actually ended up reading your replies (via q-linux's web archive). Just a few comments.
1) as Jijo has also mentioned, you have an annoying way of putting your ideas forth. my issue with your, particularly your comments to Andre, is that you are such a smarty-pants. You talk as if you know it all. Hint: it doesn't cost you much to be nice. It's called tact. and yes, you did mention that i should "get over" your annoying-ness. Yes that's true. but if you want to make more friends, it doesn't hurt to be nice. You know? 2) don't try to get into a pissing contest on this list or say "if you're so good... how do you do this or that." There are a LOT of people out there smarter than you. Heck, you may be smarter than me, which is just fine with me. But there will always be someone smarter than you. 3) regarding your claim that ping, telnet, etc. are the only good M$ apps. Start reading up on the .NET Framework. i've met some VERY talented M$ developers and to tell you the truth, they HUMBLE me. these are guys who work on P50 million software projects. all on .NET. so you see, your (and even my..) limited worldview DOESN'T MEAN CRAP. there's a LOT going on out there that we know very little of. Microsoft really has put together a VERY compelling developer suite. they're even giving it away! i am currently using Mono to produce and consume .NET based web services, but when VS Express (free) comes out you can bet i will be avidly downloading it. creating web services with vi or NEdit (my preferred editor) and using a command-line compiler gets old real quick. also, if you would bother learning more about Microsoft, you would see that they have a solution to EVERYTHING. your rant about WindowsUpdate? that's NOT The True Way (TM). The true way is to download the MSI's once, vet them, deploy them on a Windows server, then use Active Directory and some GPO's to deploy them to your ten-thousand-node Windows desktops. try doing that with your precious Debian (note: the 10,000 nodes will update unattended when their non-techie owners log in). 4) nobody is trying to censor you. I've only seen someone booted off PLUG *once* this was in 1999, just before the Linux'99 conference. guess what... he got into a fight with me. no connection, i don't "pull strings" or anything. because i have no strings to pull. all i'm saying, and all i think the other guys are saying, is, you can do very well to moderate your statements. nobody wants to hear a smart-alecky comment which does not contribute to the discussion and does not add any technical knowledge. i guess this whole long rant boils down to one thing: be respectful of other people, don't say things in a dismissive or derogatory manner, and they will also be nice to you. it's called good manners. and we all would benefit from doing it. --- Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mosaic Communications, Inc. -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie
