On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 12:20:55PM +0800, Orlando Andico wrote: > > Hey mister Zak, > > I actually ended up reading your replies (via q-linux's web archive). Just > a few comments. >
See? I guess you just couldn't resist me ;P > 1) as Jijo has also mentioned, you have an annoying way of putting your > ideas forth. my issue with your, particularly your comments to Andre, is > that you are such a smarty-pants. You talk as if you know it all. Hint: it > doesn't cost you much to be nice. It's called tact. > > and yes, you did mention that i should "get over" your annoying-ness. Yes > that's true. but if you want to make more friends, it doesn't hurt to be > nice. You know? > Yep, I've observed it myself and yeah, I'm becoming too much of a fart rather than some who's got objectiveness. Thanks for your advice. I really appreciate it. > 2) don't try to get into a pissing contest on this list or say "if you're > so good... how do you do this or that." There are a LOT of people out > there smarter than you. Heck, you may be smarter than me, which is just > fine with me. But there will always be someone smarter than you. > True. And nobody's smarter than God/Allah/Buddha. I never meant to start a pissing contest, but given the burns I've got on this list, you sometimes lose your cool ;D Even you got singed by the frenetic activity of the previous thread... > 3) regarding your claim that ping, telnet, etc. are the only good M$ apps. > Start reading up on the .NET Framework. i've met some VERY talented M$ > developers and to tell you the truth, they HUMBLE me. these are guys who > work on P50 million software projects. all on .NET. > Cool. But they said the same thing to Java, right? Iirc there was this guy at AdMU who scored really big $$$ after doing a kewl project on J2EE (or was it ME, i don't recall). And guess what? they're still !free as in freedom, only free as in free oxygen. I know some may call me a very narrow-sighted idealist/zealot, but I'm still hoping if we can have a truly free alternative to these technoligies. I hear Mono is a step in the right direction. > so you see, your (and even my..) limited worldview DOESN'T MEAN CRAP. > there's a LOT going on out there that we know very little of. Microsoft > really has put together a VERY compelling developer suite. they're even > giving it away! > Again true. A recent email from Andreas Tille said he was grateful for attending FOSS conferences abroad because it changed his world-view completely. how nice if we all do the same and bury the hatchet ;D I've recently went to M$DN's site, and yes, it *is* very compelling to see devel tools being given away *almost* for free (You still have to agree with the EULA in the installer, di ba ;) I'll take your advice and see if I can get a crap-free webserver to work using .NET. Perhaps you guys can help me on this... > i am currently using Mono to produce and consume .NET based web services, > but when VS Express (free) comes out you can bet i will be avidly > downloading it. creating web services with vi or NEdit (my preferred > editor) and using a command-line compiler gets old real quick. > > also, if you would bother learning more about Microsoft, you would see > that they have a solution to EVERYTHING. your rant about WindowsUpdate? > that's NOT The True Way (TM). The true way is to download the MSI's once, > vet them, deploy them on a Windows server, then use Active Directory and > some GPO's to deploy them to your ten-thousand-node Windows desktops. try > doing that with your precious Debian (note: the 10,000 nodes will update > unattended when their non-techie owners log in). > Yes, that would be the ideal way (instead of Win*Update). Actually, apt-proxy does the same thing. Squid-cache would also be better as a transparent proxy, too. You don't have to use AD and those GPO's: all you'll need is Perl. > 4) nobody is trying to censor you. I've only seen someone booted off PLUG > *once* this was in 1999, just before the Linux'99 conference. guess > what... he got into a fight with me. no connection, i don't "pull strings" > or anything. because i have no strings to pull. > > all i'm saying, and all i think the other guys are saying, is, you can do > very well to moderate your statements. nobody wants to hear a smart-alecky > comment which does not contribute to the discussion and does not add any > technical knowledge. > > i guess this whole long rant boils down to one thing: be respectful of > other people, don't say things in a dismissive or derogatory manner, and > they will also be nice to you. > > it's called good manners. and we all would benefit from doing it. > Thank you very much indeed. I will try to write my statements in such a way that they're *sanitized* and *politically correct*. To all those who were aggrieved, my humblest apologies. There's one thing that still lingers in my mind, though: The question of comparing Linux/FOSS to Windoze/PACS, whether technological, philosophical or subjective, is *always* a political issue. We users of free and open software are burdened with something that has never before seen in other tech circles: the value of freedom and the obligation of upholding it. That's the reason why I said in the previous thread that "windows is a threat to Linux/FOSS, not the other way around". Now I hope that's a *sanitized* statement, Messrs. Andico and Sevilla. My thanks again. Cheers, Zakame -- |=-------------ZAK B. 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