where in philcoa is that?

--- clair ching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:31:18 +0800, Peter Santiago
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Miguel A Paraz wrote:
> > > I think this is an important topic. How's the
> local Linux economy and
> > > are we ready to take on more outsourcing jobs
> for Linux and F/OSS?
> > >
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > I still don't think we're able to handle some
> big-time outsourcing of
> > Linux jobs.  I doubt DTI would have data regarding
> this.  You can
> > probably ask Q-Linux though.
> > 
> > 1.  We're still Windows-centric here.
> 
> I think that people are used to the convenience of
> just having to
> install M$ stuff because "everyone" has been using
> it for a while now.
>  Imagine having to re-learn some things.  My mom
> hates re-learning
> things especially those related to computers and
> apps.  It's been
> tough for me and my sister to handle her attitude
> towards learning to
> use some apps on MS Windows and with certain
> differences in Linux
> based apps... Well, that will be quite interesting.
> 
> > 2.  Linux users in the Philippines is still
> limited, due to the
> > conception that opensource is not as good as
> closed-source.  Although
> > this is gradually changing, the growth is still
> very slow.
> It's a cultural thing, methinks.  I have heard
> people say, "If it's
> that expensive, it has to be good."  And so some
> people think that the
> open source is not that good. One thing that makes
> people wary to use
> it is because it's free in more than one sense of
> the word.
> 
> > 3.  A lot of CS students don't have the patience
> to learn Linux,
> I was in UP when Nemenzo started implementing the
> policy on using open
> source apps. And this was true then.  To mention
> Linux in class was
> even worse in some cases.  I took up certain
> electives and we had an
> introduction to Linux.  My classmates' reactions
> were quite varied but
> most of them dreaded having to hear it, much more
> deal with the
> change.
> 
> > probably this is also due to lack of competent
> instructors.  If you'd
> Maybe that is another hindrance that is to be
> overcome.
> 
> > notice, most of the thesis made are based on
> Windows GUI programming.
> 
> > 4.  On the corporate side, moving to opensource is
> considered risky.  In
> > short, there is no one vendor to pin the blame on
> if anything goes
> > wrong.  ^_^
> They think of migration, training people, etc. aside
> from whatever
> they have to do when things go wrong.  However, I
> think that the open
> source community is wonderful because people help
> out each other when
> things go wrong.  Besides, I see that maintainers
> are updating people
> on forums and mailing lists, etc. so there shouldn't
> be much
> difficulty with that. :)
> 
> > 
> > There are still a lot of factors that is involved
> in this problem.
> > Well, there's the bayanihan project sponsored by
> DTI.  But that's just
> > lip service by the government.  Fortunately some
> large Philippine
> > companies are taking the initiative to
> implement/integrate opensource
> > software into their systems, like Rustans's
> Shopwise, SM's supermarket
> > (not too sure).  It's a small start, but it's
> better than nothing.
> 
> Maybe we should be more active in promoting
> initiatives with regards
> to the usage of open source software ;) 
> Incidentally, I was in SM
> Carpark's Cyberone yesterday. One of the shops had a
> sign on their
> walls which said that they install only Linux and
> Star Office.  There
> is a net cafe in Philcoa that plans to shift to open
> source soon.
> 
> > 
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