>This smells like the language snobbery that we had at the plug meeting a while back. It's all > about ego (some egos being *quite* large).
(i think that was probably me.) but, my take away from the meeting (a plug meeting a couple months ago where bryan sant presented java) was this: dynamic languages are easy to learn and be useful with, even without formal training in software engineering. this may cause people to think it's okay to drop out of school and go do 'real work' at a 'real job'. this *may* have a side effect of flooding the market with poorly trained engineers. this side effect may or may not be a 'good thing', but it may well be happening, so maybe we should talk about it. we also talked a lot about jiffy lube, and the idea that someone who works at jiffy lube is not the same as someone who designs engines - but in the early days, a mechanic == automotive engineer, but that's not the case anymore. but note that using a dynamic language *well* is not easy. anyway, so for those of you who missed it, that was the gist. at least, that's how i remember it. so i supposed you can mislabel this as snobbery, but i think the discussion was really around the market implications of 'programmers' versus 'engineers'. of course, if you think there is no practical difference between the two, then it would just be simple snobbery. blah blah blah. i've been way over-using my plug quota this week.. Josh Coates www.jcoates.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Ellis Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:04 PM To: Provo Linux Users Group Mailing List; Provo Linux Users Group Mailing List Subject: Re: UT Lisp Users Group? On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:00:03 -0600, "Gabriel Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 14:40 -0700, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > > Dismissing the almost self-evident assertion that all languages are > > not equal as "snobbery" baffles me > > Guess you weren't at the meeting... Nope. > If it's so self-evident, how come some people seem to feel the need to > point it out so often? Some of us can't resist feeding the trolls, I guess. -Jonathan .===================================. | This has been a P.L.U.G. mailing. | | Don't Fear the Penguin. | | IRC: #utah at irc.freenode.net | `===================================' .===================================. | This has been a P.L.U.G. mailing. | | Don't Fear the Penguin. | | IRC: #utah at irc.freenode.net | `==================================='
