pippin wrote: 
> Boah... I already find the Squeezebox state model overly complex even
> with what iPeng supports now. If this was my design it would only have
> "play" and "pause" like Sonos. No "stop", no "power". Just causes
> complexity and confusion.
> Yes, it's flexible and I'm sure you can attach dozens of actions based
> on a complex rule set to all of these states but no normal user will be
> able to distinguish them let alone understand what happens with all
> these states in cases like synchronization (the "power" state is one
> thing that makes sync-groups so unfeasible for Squeezeboxes - too many
> states to decide on).
> 
> All these things players can do based on these different states would be
> better solved by applying common sense and logic within the player. For
> example, you could power down an amp when a track is paused for more
> than two minutes or so and you could revert to the start of the track
> simply by pressing "back" if you need to; pre-filling buffer is also a
> technical detail that should be solved by the player based on the
> current state.
> 
> /rant
> 
> So, as you can see I'm going to be dogmatic here :) It adds confusion
> and complexity and there is rarely ever a need for it and if you really
> need it you can use "power". Powering off a device makes it transition
> to "stop" state, not "pause".
> If you just want to return to the start of the track you can press
> "back".

it actually confuses me that’s there is no stop I think play pause stop
ffw rwd are quite normal stuff for anything since the cassette or VHS
days I would find "eject" confusing ;) I dont think thats overcomplex .
I agree somewhat on the power states but it also impacts server activity
for sleep etc so it could be necessary and i do like the opurtinity for
an "off" screensaver , when it works which it actually does not for the
moment , (but i assume any fw bugs are a lost case these days) . The
backligth on a Touch could come on when you least expect it .I do agree
more for the old players where the power-state is remembered by the
server and the player is clueless ? that’s useless (does the local
server share this state with mysb.com ?).



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