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I don't have the "Don Ho" tan going. I have the "Lobster
Man with peeling skin like a 50's horror flick" sunburn going. I have the
"Office-dwelling albino boy goes out into sun and forgets thing known as 'SPF 45
Lotion' thing happening for me right now. I have the "Kill me now, God"
situation occurring right about now. Got that "Visual aid that succinctly
explains to my African-American friends why Melanin is important to have and why
I wished I had more" mindset floating around inside my head...
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [plum] Breaking the
silence
Hey man,
Got your Don Ho tan going, huh? Great to hear
from you.
Thanks for the update. I figured that was the way you were
going, which is cool. I can use Plum for quite a while as is, and there
are some other frameworks making some noise, so this is probably good timing.
As I told you previously, if the cost of BD weren't so high, and my
Govt customers were using it, I would spend some serious time. But I can't
justify the cost of buying it at this time.
At any rate, I am swamped
at least through June, but I would be willing to volunteer for whatever after
that.
It goes without saying that you guys have made our lives
immeasurably easier, and you are good folk besides that.
On 5/22/06, Adam
Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Aloha, all!
Just got back from a cruise around the Hawaiian islands,
and I'm jet lagged and sunburned. Didn't touch the Internet the entire
time! Yay!
I just wanted to respond about Plum. We didn't put
that much work into Plum to just abandon it. It's still the same tool
we use for all our sites. Why hasn't it been updated or upgraded since
its release? Probably because it was so thoroughly tested and
documented for more than two years beforehand, and the few IDE-related
errors and minor fixes to a couple of the custom tags and generated code
have either been tolerable or have easy workarounds. Still, we do want
to change a couple of things and make another release.
The issues right now are time, participation, and
focus. As you can imagine, it takes a *lot* of time to rev a
commercial-grade product like Plum, and that time costs us real money, so we
opened up for participation from the outside, which for the most part hasn't
been flooding in, except for a few dedicated souls. Until the next
release we are just handling new projects using the original version of Plum
plus the workarounds (like the Verity and stylesheet fixes), or our
internal BlueDragon version of the framework plus the same fixes. It's
working great for us.
The remaining issue is focus. More and more I'm
seeing that Plum makes ColdFusion feel a little like the .NET Framework in
some ways, which is a good thing. A while ago as I started building ASP.NET 2.0 apps that had the same capabilities as Plum, I
got really pissed: almost everything we spend months on perfecting in Plum
to make something happen was either a simple setting in a web.config file or
a property setting somewhere. Everything was either easier or
better in .NET 2.0, and we could do much more as well.
So our focus has been along the lines of BlueDragon.NET,
pure ASP.NET 2.0, and desktop apps and
services written in C#. If we build a CFML app, unless otherwise
required by the client, it's using the BD version of Plum, and we
integrate with the .NET Framework as needed. Typically the app uses
SQL Server 2005, so we have CLR integration from that side as well, and it's
pretty sweet. If there's no need for CFML, it's pure ASP.NET 2.0 all the way, and we're happy.
So that's where things stand. We're always going to
use Plum for CFML apps, and it's a good and stable product with a few minor
issues that can be worked around. When the next release will be will
have to be a function of necessity for the time being, and the only thing
really bugging me right now is the need to make Plum forms easier to build
without any table or column aliasing, but even that will require a very
large amount of work. It is, however, something we can involve others
in, so why don't we tackle this first, eh? It will take a good
bit of effort... anyone want to volunteer?
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday, May 12, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject:
Re: [plum] Breaking the silence
Yeah, I know they like
BlueDragon. I installed it and looked at it for a while. I just can't afford
the upgrade. While I see the advantages of BD in some areas, it is not going
to be a player for me at this time.
I also want to play with Flex. We
have a flash developer on staff now, so we will leverage what we have and
stay in the Adobe camp for now.
As far as the meeting, I can't do it
at this time, just too many irons in the fire right now. Also, if Adam
and David decide to let this lapse, I will probably start investigating
other frameworks for longterm use. Lots of stuff going on right now,
so it looks promising.
The issue is that Plum is just killer. I like
their approach to doing things, it just 'fits' well with the way I do
things.
Oh well, life ain't perfect :)
On 5/12/06, mark
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hey
Jeff,
I think Plum will go
forward, but for Blue Dragon. It bums me out 'cause I really am
looking forward to Flex and Adobe is making sure ColdFusion and Flex are
really easy to work with together. It is really one or the
other. Blue Dragon/.Net/Ajax or ColdFusion/Java/Flex. Not even
Coding Gods like David and Adam can do both.
My understanding is Adam
and David will do one more point release for PLUM for ColdFusion along
with the first release of PLUM for BlueDragon and from there forward, all
work on PLUM will be with Blue Dragon.
You know, we are pretty
close from a geographic perspective. Would you be interested in
getting together and comparing notes on changes made to core files?
And what you would like to see changed? Maybe we could get some
others to join in?
Mark
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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