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ColdFusion isn't losing us, and we're not abandoning it.
It's still a great tool for what it does, and there are lots of projects that
require it. But ASP.NET 2.0 can do *so* much more, and is actually
easier for typical web stuff.
We won't be at CFUNITED this year -- too much to
do.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [plum] Breaking the
silence
I'll
be glad to help with anything I can. I am actually starting to get to
where I might be able to help with more than testing and
documentation.
Sorry to hear the Coldfusion community is slowly loosing two of
it's best. Alas, the lure of the dark side is very strong
indeed!? It seems to be pulling in the alpha and omega,
the begining and the end, the Adam and the David, the very authors of the
Coldfusion Bible.
I
guess you won't be at cfUnited this year?
Mark
Sorry to laugh at your expense, but I just
had myself a good chuckle over that description. Made my day.
On 5/22/06, Adam
Churvis <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't have the "Don Ho" tan going. I have the
"Lobster Man with peeling skin like a 50's horror flick" sunburn
going. I have the "Office-dwelling albino boy goes out into sun and
forgets thing known as 'SPF 45 Lotion' thing happening for me right
now. I have the "Kill me now, God" situation occurring right about
now. Got that "Visual aid that succinctly explains to my
African-American friends why Melanin is important to have and why I wished
I had more" mindset floating around inside my head...
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Sent:
Monday, May 22, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject:
Re: [plum] Breaking the silence
Hey man,
Got your Don Ho tan going, huh? Great to
hear from you.
Thanks for the update. I figured that was the way
you were going, which is cool. I can use Plum for quite a while as
is, and there are some other frameworks making some noise, so this is
probably good timing.
As I told you previously, if the cost of BD
weren't so high, and my Govt customers were using it, I would spend some
serious time. But I can't justify the cost of buying it at this
time.
At any rate, I am swamped at least through June, but I would
be willing to volunteer for whatever after that.
It goes without
saying that you guys have made our lives immeasurably easier, and you are
good folk besides that.
On 5/22/06, Adam
Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aloha, all!
Just got back from a cruise around the Hawaiian
islands, and I'm jet lagged and sunburned. Didn't touch the
Internet the entire time! Yay!
I just wanted to respond about Plum. We didn't
put that much work into Plum to just abandon it. It's still the
same tool we use for all our sites. Why hasn't it been updated or
upgraded since its release? Probably because it was so thoroughly
tested and documented for more than two years beforehand, and the few
IDE-related errors and minor fixes to a couple of the custom tags and
generated code have either been tolerable or have easy
workarounds. Still, we do want to change a couple of things and
make another release.
The issues right now are time, participation, and
focus. As you can imagine, it takes a *lot* of time to rev a
commercial-grade product like Plum, and that time costs us real money,
so we opened up for participation from the outside, which for the most
part hasn't been flooding in, except for a few dedicated souls.
Until the next release we are just handling new projects using the
original version of Plum plus the workarounds (like the Verity and
stylesheet fixes), or our internal BlueDragon version of the
framework plus the same fixes. It's working great for
us.
The remaining issue is focus. More and more I'm
seeing that Plum makes ColdFusion feel a little like the .NET Framework
in some ways, which is a good thing. A while ago as I started
building ASP.NET 2.0 apps that had the
same capabilities as Plum, I got really pissed: almost everything we
spend months on perfecting in Plum to make something happen was either a
simple setting in a web.config file or a property setting
somewhere. Everything was either easier or better in .NET
2.0, and we could do much more as well.
So our focus has been along the lines of
BlueDragon.NET, pure ASP.NET 2.0, and desktop apps
and services written in C#. If we build a CFML app, unless
otherwise required by the client, it's using the BD version of
Plum, and we integrate with the .NET Framework as needed.
Typically the app uses SQL Server 2005, so we have CLR integration from
that side as well, and it's pretty sweet. If there's no need for
CFML, it's pure ASP.NET 2.0 all the way, and
we're happy.
So that's where things stand. We're always going
to use Plum for CFML apps, and it's a good and stable product with a few
minor issues that can be worked around. When the next release will
be will have to be a function of necessity for the time being, and the
only thing really bugging me right now is the need to make Plum forms
easier to build without any table or column aliasing, but even that will
require a very large amount of work. It is, however, something we
can involve others in, so why don't we tackle this first,
eh? It will take a good bit of effort... anyone want to
volunteer?
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Sent:
Friday, May 12, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject:
Re: [plum] Breaking the silence
Yeah, I know they like BlueDragon. I installed it and looked
at it for a while. I just can't afford the upgrade. While I see the
advantages of BD in some areas, it is not going to be a player for me at
this time.
I also want to play with Flex. We have a flash
developer on staff now, so we will leverage what we have and stay in the
Adobe camp for now.
As far as the meeting, I can't do it at this
time, just too many irons in the fire right now. Also, if Adam and
David decide to let this lapse, I will probably start investigating
other frameworks for longterm use. Lots of stuff going on right
now, so it looks promising.
The issue is that Plum is just
killer. I like their approach to doing things, it just 'fits' well with
the way I do things.
Oh well, life ain't perfect :)
On 5/12/06, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey
Jeff,
I think Plum will go
forward, but for Blue Dragon. It bums me out 'cause I really am
looking forward to Flex and Adobe is making sure ColdFusion and Flex
are really easy to work with together. It is really one or the
other. Blue Dragon/.Net/Ajax or ColdFusion/Java/Flex. Not
even Coding Gods like David and Adam can do both.
My understanding is
Adam and David will do one more point release for PLUM for ColdFusion
along with the first release of PLUM for BlueDragon and from there
forward, all work on PLUM will be with Blue Dragon.
You know, we are
pretty close from a geographic perspective. Would you be
interested in getting together and comparing notes on changes made to
core files? And what you would like to see changed? Maybe
we could get some others to join in?
Mark
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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