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From: "Essenberg, Ivo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: "Anti-terrorist" hackers reportedly target attrition.org mirr
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:25:58 +0200
Declan,
You might be interested in the attack on Security News Portal at:
http://www.securitynewsportal.com/
also supposedly committed by Kimble's group.
Cheerio,
Ivo
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Ivo Essenberg <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Strategy and Policy Unit
International Telecommunication Union <http://www.itu.int>
Place des Nations, 1211 Geneva, Switzerland
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:46:58 -0400
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To: security curmudgeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: YIHAT and Kimble
Jericho and Declan,
In reference to:
http://www.attrition.org/news/content/01-10-22.001.html
Kimble & YIHAT Morons Threaten Attrition
I recall a few weeks back a defacer had done some defacing in the name of
YIHAT and Kimble came out with this big statement about how they weren't
about defacing. Their mission was on the index of http://www.kill.net/,
which now appears to be voluntarily taken down. But I remember very
clearly it stated that Kimble and YIHAT did not encourage defacing.
Yesterday, I posted an item on Cipherwar about a SecurityNewsPortal article
that fabricated a quote and presented it in a light that suggested I, or a
colleague, said it. Today, I received an email directing me to
http://www.securitynewsportal.com where I find a statement by its editor
explaining why they are shutting down the site. The catalyst for the shut
down appears to be their defacement done by Kimble.
"I have attached a copy of the defacement that replaced our web pages
below. Although it claims to have been done by Kimble, I would ask that
you take that with a grain of salt... "
-Marq of securitynewsportal.com
I just thought it was rather entertaining. If Kimble did indeed do the
defacement, it "suggests" that he is a hypocrite and a liar.
Below is the entire statement on Kimble's YIHAT website at
http://www.kill.net/:
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First Phase of Mission Completed - YIHAT Terminates All Public Activities
Munich, October 20, 2001
YIHAT, founded to acquire and coordinate a team of hackers with the goal of
eliminating the electronic foundations of terroristic activities worldwide,
has successfully completed the first phase of its mission: The team has
reached the projected strength and has gathered a sufficient amount of
information to launch the second phase of the YIHAT operation, which is to
monitor, infiltrate and take control of the information infrastructure used
by or supporting terrorists. Therefore, the public web site, www.kill.net,
is no longer needed and has been closed down effective immediately in order
to prevent the dissemination of confidential information to those who are
not part of the core YIHAT team, and to take away motivation from those who
- for good reason! - did not become part of the core YIHAT team from
continuing to play around, e.g. defacing completely unrelated web sites.
The decision to take kill.net offline completely is also based on the fact
that the additional administrative effort (mainly caused by DDoS attacks)
has led to an inacceptable situation. YIHAT moves to the underground.
All communication between the core team members has been switched over to a
new, confidential forum.
Kim "Kimble" Schmitz
Founder - Young Intelligent Hackers Against Terror
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And the "mirror" of the Kimble defacement at http://www.securitynewsportal.com:
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hacked by Kimble of YIHAT
Hello, world!
SECURITYNEWSPORTAL is temporarily down. We'd like to take this time to talk
to you about some things.
There exists a cancer in the security community right now, and that cancer
exists in individuals and groups who could be classified as scenewhores.
These parties attempt to profit off the security community, without
actually being a part of it.
For instance, SECURITYNEWSPORTAL.COM. This site was
hacked/cracked/rooted/whatever with the ssh1/crc32 exploit. Sure, SNP
staff, call us scriptkids. We won't argue that. But, what does it make you?
Your server has been vulnerable to a bug that has been known of since
February. You've built a popular "security" site (although, the truth is
its complete garbage, but the masses don't realize that, hopefully they
will start to now). Maybe if this weren't a "security" site, they would
have an excuse for this compromise, but lets be realistic -- there is no
reason for anything "security" related to be compromised by an eight-month
old bug. And, especially after all the current discussion about the bug in
"security" forums.
SECURITYNEWSPORTAL.COM makes money off their website. They encourage the
actions of scriptkids. They encourage defacements. Why shouldn't they? They
make money off their actions. SECURITYNEWSPORTAL.COM is more about
insecurity than security; their business prospers. We are looking forward
to hearing them bitch about this incident. Hypocrites.
Why do companies choose to advertise with an organization like
SECURITYNEWSPORTAL.COM? Advertising with them supports them, why do you
support them? Are you aware of what you're supporting? The people who run
SNP are _NOT_ hackers, they do _NOT_ possess any knowledge pertinant to
computer security; why is your money with them? Why don't you donate to
organizations that do _REAL_ security research? Why not invest your money
somewhere better?
The era of security scenewhores is about to end. Well, not all scenewhores,
just the ones who attempt to exploit the security scene for their own
personal profit. SNP staff -- instead of trying to refute the claims
against you, why don't you spend some time learning computer security?
That'd be the intelligent thing to do. You probably want to get your
capitalist machine up and running again though, don't you?
Everyone, please think of what we have said here. To the public, please
take the time and ponder how "security minded" the staff of
SECURITYNEWSPORTAL.COM are. Remember, this site was comprimised by an
eight-month old bug. Sure, they'll bitch and moan about being the victim of
some scriptkid, but what are they really saying? "We're too lame to
understand the security advisories we mirror", or "We don't have the time
to maintain security on this machine; all our time is invested in running
this magnificent website", or even try to claim that it was a different
vulnerability? To all who are advertising here, can you _PLEASE_ at least
consider what you are supporting? You aren't supporting the security
industry, the traffic you recieve back is from a "kiddie" population
(anyone who frequents this site and thinks its worthwhile is either
entirely ignorant of security matters, or a kiddie of some sort). It
shouldn't be too hard to find more profitable and worthwhile ventures.
Incidently, if you're a real hacker, and looking to do some good for the
world, please come to irc.booze.de/#yihat and speak with us. We're always
looking to recruit new talent for our organization.
Sincerely,
Kim Schmitz (aka Kimble)
YIHAT Founder / Chief Hacking Officer
www.kill.net + www.kimble.org
+49 89 523520
<Kimble> to all the flamers, yihat will have thousands of members in a few
month, be carefull! critics are ok, insults NOT!
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