Sean McBride wrote: One can use an understanding of ethnocentric behavioral patterns to fan the flames of ethnic conflict or to try to reduce ethnic conflict. Is MacDonald himself an ethnic nationalist, even an ethnic militant, who, underneath the veneer of rational scientific inquiry, is emotionally focused on ethnic conflict between Europeans (and Euro-Americans) and Jews from the standpoint of an interested warring party? I still have the impression that he might be, although I don't know for sure. Again, if he is an ethnic militant himself, that doesn't make him any worse than members of the neocon/neolib establishment in American politics; but I don't see any happy or useful outcome in going down that path.
The first thing that needs to be said here is that MacDonald has approached these questions as a scientist and a specialist in human and animal behavior and devlopment and evolution. He has studied Jewish behavior and antisemitism from this perspective. Once the nature of the problem has been determined, then the question arises of how best to manage the problem. This is not a scientific question - it is a political and moral and social question. The scientific issues that MacDonald has addressed are of paramount importance. How we decide to deal with issue of antisemitism will obviously depend to a large extent of our understanding of what it is. Is antisemitism a relic based on Christian charges of deicide? Is it a neurosis caused by sexual frustration? Are the Jews a convenient scapegoat, or lightning-rod for popular anger due to unrelated issues? Or is there a basis in a reality of Jewish/Gentile conflict? This is a field littered with theories that range from the laughable to the implausible. The only person who has dared to address this issue in a straightfoward and honest manner is Kevin MacDonald. There are many fine studies with lots of useful information, but when it comes to the core issues, even the boldest <http://www.amazon.com/Esaus-Tears-Modern-Anti-Semitism-Rise/dp/05217953\ 89/ref=sr_1_1/002-9175189-4210439?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183547492&sr=1-1> shrink from stating the obvious. If anyone can show me any hostile critique of MacDonald's work that has a shred of substance and intellectual integrity, I will greatly appreciate it. As far as I know, such a critique does not exist. Hysterical ravings and threats and evasion seem to be the order of the day. Of course Kevin MacDonald does, as a footnote and afterthought to this work, express opinions about what might be done to correct a troubling situation. As I have explained here many, many (many, many .... .... ) times, he considers two primary ways in which the problem of ethnic conflict can be addressed - a multicultural solution in which affirmative action and racial quotias attempt to address inequities. For example the issue of control of the media could be addressed by ensuring that ownership and participation in the mass media is shared by all ethnicities in a fair way. MacDonald does not think this is realistic. On the other hand he considers the possibility that other ethnicities could emulate the Jewish model and consciously compete to advance the interests of their own ethnic groups. He holds out more hope for this possibility, but he is not very optimistic. But these musings are just a footnote to his scientific work, which is his great contribution IMO. Tim Howells > > Most Americans would revert to primal ethnic politics only from extreme fear and despair, from the terror of being cornered animals. God help us if we ever get to that point. More than a few ethnic groups now have the technological ability to commit mutual genocide and to take down most of the world with them. > > tim_howells_1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sean McBride wrote: > I got the impression from reading some of his writings that MacDonald has organized the world around a struggle between Jewish and European ethnic interests and values. Am I wrong on this point? At root, is he a European (white) ethnic nationalist? > MacDonald approached these issues from a scientific rather than a political perspective. What you and most seem to be saying is that the conclusions he has reached are just too terrible to contemplate, so he has to be discredited and his work has to be rejected. I prefer cold reason at this point. Kevin MacDonald did not organize the world! Don't blame the messenger. If we are going to avoid apocalyptic ethnic warfare at this point, it will not be by shutting our eyes and hoping for the best. > Tim Howells > > > > > If he is, that doesn't make him any worse than the neocons, who have dominated the Bush 43 administration. But I don't think he is providing any useful solutions to the problem of ethnic conflict in human societies. If we all retreat into our respective ethnic ghettos and give in to hysterical xenophobia, kiss planet Earth goodbye. Xenophobes these days are often armed with nuclear and biological weapons. > > > > tim_howells_1000 timothy.howells@ wrote: > > Sean McBride wrote: > > But friction and warfare among a bewildering array of ethnic groups have been a permanent fixture of human history. The root cause of the conflict is not difficult to understand. We are basically looking at gang warfare, often dressed up with a lot high-falutin' self-justifying religious and ideological rhetoric by the warring parties. Kevin MacDonald is, I believe, trying to get at this reality. But he may be overfocused on the Jews, no? > > No - not at all. MacDonald has published extensively on a wide array of important issues concerning evolution, psychology, and human and animal behavior and development. For example see this partial bibliography: > > Publications in Evolutionary Psychology > > His work on Jewish issues fits well with his other, broader interests. Given the advent of "World War Four", avidly promoted by the Israel-firsters in the US, I don't see how anyone can dismiss MacDonald's focus on Jewish issues as misplaced or off the mark. > > In a sense, his works are an ethnic counterattack against (in his mind) an ethnic enemy. Not all of the hostility is unjustified. It takes two to tango. > > I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you questioning MacDonald's objectivity? Are you saying that these issues simply should not be discussed? Could you give an example of where MacDonald has gone wrong in your mind? > > Tim Howells > > > > > > > > > Ok, I hear you. And many Jews and Christians do in fact buy into the entire Jews vs. "the nations" Armageddon scenario, as you know. They are in our face on a daily basis, and their howl is growing louder. > > > > > > But friction and warfare among a bewildering array of ethnic groups have been a permanent fixture of human history. The root cause of the conflict is not difficult to understand. We are basically looking at gang warfare, often dressed up with a lot high-falutin' self-justifying religious and ideological rhetoric by the warring parties. Kevin MacDonald is, I believe, trying to get at this reality. But he may be overfocused on the Jews, no? In a sense, his works are an ethnic counterattack against (in his mind) an ethnic enemy. Not all of the hostility is unjustified. It takes two to tango. > > > > > > Maybe I'm a dreamer, but there has to be a better way. The meritocratic model of elite universities defines reality as I would like to see it for society as a whole. Show me your creative work, and leave your (and my) ethnic baggage out of it. Militant ethnocentrism is for weaklings and losers. > > > > > > tim_howells_1000 timothy.howells@ wrote: > > > Sean McBride wrote: > > > > > > It is interesting that your own discourse in your last post was controlled be one of these memes -- the radical division of the world between "the Jews" and "the nations." Is this your fault or the fault of the culture which produced this meme? A stumper. > > > I just acknowledged the reality of ethnic conflict including Jewish/Gentile conflict. This is a long way from buying into the whole apocalyptic Jews vs the Nations scenario. > > > Tim Howells > > > > > >
