sean, what i said was that the nazis and the zionists work hand in hand.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McBride
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the "Psychedelic"
Community
VH> i didnt say that bush was going to run out and join the aryan nation.
Right. I am just curious why some conspiracy theorists assign so much
importance to the supposed role of Nazism in contemporary deep politics
vis-a-vis neoconservatism and the Israel lobby, when there is so little
empirical evidence to support the claim. There are some Nazis out there, but
they are on the political margins, not at the political center. There is
nothing resembling a Nazi AIPAC in American politics.
The Anglo establishment, as Phil Weiss has pointed out, has been enormously
generous in sharing power in recent decades. If the Anglo power elite still
ruled the United States, there is not the slightest chance that we would have
invaded Iraq.
Do white ethnic nationalists control the New York Times, the Washington Post
and the rest of the mainstream media? No. Have they controlled the Bush 43
administration? Definitely not. Just take a close look at the composition of
the administration. Be empirical.
Do neocons have a major interest in hyping the threat of Nazism and
distracting attention from their own exercise and abuses of power? Yes. And
some gatekeepers in the "psychedelic" community are on the same page with that
agenda.
Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i didnt say that bush was going to run out and join the aryan nation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McBride
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the
"Psychedelic" Community
There is a major difference between being a powerful white guy and being
a militant white nationalist or white supremacist. Similarly, being a powerful
African-American doesn't automatically make one a militant black nationalist
and being a powerful Jew doesn't automatically make one a militant Jewish
nationalist. Ethnic nationalist movements (like Nazism and Zionism) require
systematic and explicit organization and propaganda to survive and thrive.
Most expressions of ethnic nationalism have been delegitimized in
American politics, with the notable exception of one major group:
neoconservatives. Neocons have heavily populated the Bush 43 administration.
To the best of my knowledge, white nationalists have played no role at all. As
a Christian Zionist, GWB is a member of a Jewish ethnic nationalist cult, not a
white nationalist cult. His weepy melodramatic statements about his beliefs in
this cult lead one to believe that he is completely sincere -- like John Hagee
and many other Christian fundamentalists, he has been authentically brainwashed.
There are many rumors floating around about an ongoing affair between GWB
and Condoleezza Rice -- it's not clear that he harbors any bigotry against
African-Americans. Katrina can perhaps be chalked up to massive incompetence
and indifference, not active racist malice.
The history of cooperation between Nazism and Zionism is fascinating --
but of course both sides hated one another while using one another.
Cooperation between ethnic nationalist movements with conflicting values tends
to be highly volatile.
Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i think "katrina" speaks for itself. are you saying that the "bush
cime family" is not a "white nationalist movement?" perhaps it's an
"internationalist" movement. i dont think bush and rove are going to come out
and SAY they dont like the bruthas anytime soon. just thought it was
interesting that the nazis and the zionists actually do have a history of
working together.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McBride
To: political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the
"Psychedelic" Community
I would love to see a list of white ethnic nationalists or white
supremacists who are active in the contemporary American power elite (members
of the CFR, Forbes billionaires, etc.). Who are they? George W. Bush is a
Christian Zionist, not a Nazi. Karl Rove has no history of involvement in
white nationalist movements. The neocons, on the other hand, many dozens of
them, are all militant Jewish ethnic nationalists. So: your list?
I can think of only one white nationalist who is connected at a low
level to the neocons (via David Horowitz): David Gaubatz. Anyone else?
Nazis in the 1930s cooperated with Zionists only in the sense of
strongly encouraging them to leave Germany and Europe.
The present year is ***2007***! :) One needs to update one's deep
politics database on a regular basis.
Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
well, as lenni brener shows in 51 DOCUMENTS, the zionists and the
nazis worked together. then as now. rove's and bush's family involvements
with the nazis are well known.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McBride
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; political-research@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: [political-research] Israeli Gatekeepers in the
"Psychedelic" Community
Check out the following hilarious post. Regarding EQ --
Empiricism Quotient: there is barely a reference to a single person or
organization that is associated with the foreign policies of the Bush 43
administration, the Iraq War and the Global War on Terror! Supposedly "Nazis"
are running the show (probably the biggest and loudest meme in the
neoconservative psyche and propaganda system).
The author fails to mention any specific Nazis, Nazi
organizations or Nazi documents in play in the Bush 43 administration. He also
fails to mention any of the following organizations strongly associated with
neoconservatism and the Israel lobby which ARE in play, in a highly visible
way. Are we dealing with a neocon op here, or honest cognitive issues and
problems? I honestly don't know. (Yet again, the members of this particular
gatekeeping camp breeze by the reality that the Bush 41 inner circle has
strongly opposed the neoconservative and Christian Zionist policies of the Bush
43 administration -- an immovable empirical reality that blows their world
model to pieces.)
Some key neoconservative organizations which have dominated the
Bush 43 administration:
1. ADL (Anti-Defamation League)
2. AEI (American Enterprise Institute)
3. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)
4. AJC (American Jewish Committee)
5. American Thinker
6. B'nai B'rith International
7. Benador Associates
8. Birthright Israel
9. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in
America)
10. Christian Coalition
11. CNP (Council for National Policy)
12. Commentary
13. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish
Organizations
14. CPD (Committee on the Present Danger)
15. CSP (Center for Security Policy)
16. CUFI (Christians United for Israel)
17. David Horowitz Freedom Center
18. DLC (Democratic Leadership Council)
19. FDD (Foundation for Defense of Democracies)
20. Federalist Society
21. Fox News
22. Free Republic
23. Freedom's Watch
24. FrontPage Magazine
25. Henry Jackson Society
26. Heritage Foundation
27. Hollinger International
28. Hoover Institution
29. Hudson Institute
30. Jewish Press
31. Jewish World Review
32. JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)
33. Kissinger Associates
34. Likud
35. Manhattan Institute
36. MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute)
37. Middle East Forum
38. Mossad
39. MSNBC
40. National Review
41. New Republic
42. New York Daily News
43. New York Post
44. New York Sun
45. New York Times
46. NewsMax
47. NJDC (National Jewish Democratic Council)
48. One Jerusalem
49. OSP (Office of Special Plans)
50. PNAC (Project for the New American Century)
51. PPI (Progressive Policy Institute)
52. RJC (Republican Jewish Coalition)
53. Saban Institute for Middle East Policy
54. Shalem Center
55. Townhall.com
56. U.S. News & World Report
57. Wall Street Journal
58. Washington Post
59. Weekly Standard
60. WINEP (Washington Institute for Near East Policy)
61. WorldNetDaily
62. ZOA (Zionist Organization of America)
muckblit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ignores years of obscene oilco profits.
Ignores continuity of four generations of Bush backing Hitler
from the
1920's, then Hitlers shah, Guatemala, Argentina, Chile,
Indonesia,
Greece, Saddam, etc, twice-un-elected GWB, pre-emptive war.
Ignores hundreds of years of Sax-Gothburg "german fraternity
Skull and
Bones operating with neocons formerly called Rosicrucians
centuries
ago, then Rothschilds, coldwar Schlesinger liberals, op Max
Ratline,
neocons like Joseph Alsop led US into Vietnam non-strategic
quagmire.
CIA, Aramco, Houston oilmen, Rockefeller, same org. 19th century
Robber Barons backed Hitler, with Prescott Bush managing
so-called
Hitler's Economy which was a utopia financed with US spoils of
the
Robber Barons, including Rockefeller. Sean wants to focus only
on the
Jewish bankers and neocons, making two entities invisible:
Nazis.
Big oil.
We ought to notice instead the continuity of four generations
of Bush
and years of obscene oilco profits during Iraqwar.
Sean must have read Greg Palast's book, Armed Madhouse, which
goes
into detail on the Sax Goatburger(burg, burger is derived from
biblical Pergamos. Goat-Pergamos is satan's seat and has been
for
years) scheme for Iraq to keep oil in the ground. The hundred
year old
Brit plan and Houston oilmen and Saudi plan was to keep the oil
in the
ground, using pretense of drilling first, then by keeping one
national
oil company under OPEC quota. Neocons upset that with their
idealogical privatization effort, which does tend to
destabilize the
mideast and invite non-US participation. Sean just gets it
wrong by
portraying nazis and oilmen as non-entities. The same people
make
money off of weapons and war, and are profiting handsomely on
oil, and
6000 tons a year of opium from Afghanistan since US colonialist
mercs
liberated the poppies and nothing else. Oilco and warco are only
profiting from neocon destabilization of Iraq, and
privatization of
oil would only excuse price-gouging and higher arms spending.
May I
notice "who benefits"? The two parties Sean makes invisible,
nazis and
big oil, benefit.
-Bob
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "mark urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Sean wrote:
>
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Mark Urban and his fellow cia-druggies have still been unable
to
> explain how American oil companies are going to profitably
extract
> oil
> from a region of the world in which the natives, thanks to
Israel and
> the neoconservatives, view them as their most dangerous and
hated
> enemies. Russia, China, India and Europe are ready to pounce
on the
> enormous opportunity that that the neocons have provided them.
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Ok, Mr. Sean. let me try to break this down for you:
>
> If Iraq is a giant shit storm like Lebanon, then little or
nothing is
> going to happen. The killing and infighting will just wear
away the
> infrastructure. Iraq will be left with a puppet government
and those
> many firebases and that huge embassy (almost the size of the
> vatican) in Baghdad.
>
> As long as nobody can do much with Iraq's oil because of the
> war and turmoil, then the oil will not get to market and
there will
> be
> less supply. By every kind of primitive economics I know that
means
> the
> supply line shifts in such a way as to intersect the price
line at a
> higher intersecting point. Therefore, prices are higher and
will stay
> higher.
>
> What other benefits are there?
>
> Well with all that military hardware in the region, do you
think the
> oil producing neighbors are going to piss on uncle sam's leg?
Do you
> think they'll do nasty little things like stop using
petrodollars?Do
> you
> think they'll want some of what Iraq got?
>
> Remember the Plot from GOLDFINGER? The plan was not to steal
the gold
> in Fort Knox, just make it radioactive and unavailable. Then
Aurich
> Goldfinger's supply of gold would become much more valuable.
>
> You see, my dear lil' buddy Sean, sometimes your itty bitty
brain
> just
> has to work a little bit harder to understand the big picture.
>
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