Quite right, Bond. What a load of garbage. You seem to believe all the environmental cassandras and their unsubstantiated points about peak oil, which is definitely NOT widely accepted by those who understand things. You seem to think that a 4 to 5 degree increase in the planet's temperature over the next century is going to wipe humans out, or perhaps, from your words, the whole planet!
Humans are very adaptive, and smarter than you seem to think. Free societies like the ones you describe are very well endowed with an ability to change, adapt and thrive under even extreme conditions. If, by some miracle, the Limits to Growth pan out like its authors said (40 or more years too late), then we will simply use different things. Thank your individual freedom for your flexibility. Besides, we will never run out of these resources because, as any economist can tell you, as something becomes scarcer, its price increases; and as it becomes rare, its costs are astronomical. We will never run out of oil because it will simply cost too much to extract the last drop. We will find less expensive substitutes long before that happens. Here is another crazy idea for you: the US is not going to war with Iran. Its military is stretched too far with Iraq and Afghanistan (and half of the rest of the world), and the American people are too war weary to endorse another war. And don't waste your breath with that stuff about not needing the people's buy in to wage war--yes, the US government will definitely need a huge amount of support from its people and the rest of the world if it wants to attack Iran. It won't get it, therefore it won't go to war with Iran. You also seem to think that these cyclical economic conditions are permanent. Just like investors who do not understand the history of the markets they invest in believe the bull or bear they are in at the time will last forever, left wingers who do not understand capitalism think that the recession they are in will last for hundreds of years. It won't. In a few years, everyone will have forgotten about it and spirits will be high again. Currencies pegged to the dollar will simply unpeg them. Many economies have already done so to one degree or another. What is happening now in the US is that the chickens are coming home to roost. People borrowed too much, correct, and now they are paying for it. If they are smart, they will learn from it and begin to save more. If they do not learn from history, they will repeat it. Too bad for them. Lastly, the planet is fine. Humans, trees and fish might die but the planet has survived much more than us before. It will be around a long time after we get shown the door. Please do not be so arrogant as to think humankind has the ability to destroy this planet. If you want to help save natural resources, be a leader and turn off your computer. If you are going to post this kind of thing, at least put some real analysis into it. The group is political research, not silly scaremongering. Thank you. Chris --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Bruce Porteous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Bruce Porteous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [political-research] A WORLD FALLING APART - WHERE TO FROM HERE? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:23 PM A WORLD FALLING APART – WHERE TO FROM HERE? What is happening to this world we live in? Why is the future looking so uncertain? Will the planet survive? After years of continual increasing economic growth around the world, the planet is struggling to provide the natural resources to meet the demands of a growing global population with increasing expectations by the undeveloped nations to have the same privileges and standard of living as the west. Yet the planet is running out of the natural resources to maintain the economic growth that has occurred over the last 20 years. The ever increasing demands for fossil fuels, minerals, water, arable land and energy to maintain growth can not be sustained. The cost of obtaining natural resources and producing food continues to increase, as the supply diminishes. While it widely accepted that the consummation of oil is outstripping supply, no thought appears to be given by our leaders on how society will function without petroleum to provide cheap energy. What of future generations – what type of world will they inherit? Along with the demand for increased material resources the rush to urbanization is placing unsustainable demands on the planet for the supply of water and food to maintain the essentials of life. This is causing increasing instability to the global weather patterns, global warming, polluted air, destruction of arable soils and water. Yet few seem willing to accept the reality that the planet can not continue consuming these non-renewable resources at the rate it has been doing. Demand can not continue to grow for these resources indefinitely. Unless the world develops an alternative economic model which is not depended on consuming non-renewable natural resources then the planet is headed for destruction. To meet the demand to finance continued growth in consumption governments have created money to provide the liquidity to enable their populations purchase goods and services; and in turn provide more taxation revenue for governments to regulate our lives. As the demand for natural resources grows faster than the supply, the increase money in circulation to finance consumption is now creating global inflation or the erosion in the value of paper money. Inflation is caused by the supply of money exceeding the growth of the productive capacity of a country to supply goods and services. The worst offender in consuming non-renewable resources has been the USA, which consumes much more of the planets natural resources than any other nation. This has largely been financed by printing US dollars or borrowing dollars from our creditors. This in turn has flooded the world with liquidity; provide the capital for many developing economies to increase their consumption, putting an unsustainable demand on the planets resources. The recent global credit crisis has been bought about because of the lack of confidence in the Anglo-Saxon nations by their creditors to be able to continual borrow money from external sources to finance domestic consumption, while saving almost nothing themselves. No nation can continually borrow money indefinitely to finance domestic consumption. Now the Anglo-Saxon nations are faced with the dilemma of declining real incomes, and high debt servicing costs. There has been some stability recently on the currency markets but this will only be short lived. Once overseas investors lose confidence in funding the debt of the Anglo-Saxon nations their economies will go into free-fall, resulting in total economic collapse. This drive for economic growth at all costs is about to explode. If continued it will lead to the destruction of the ability of the planet to sustain life and global political instability. Yet our political leaders seem to lack the ability to make the changes or even talk about the topic seriously to prevent mankind from destroying the planet’s ability to maintain life. This pursuit of greed to satisfy the material lusts of its people the world is now facing an imminent crisis that will result in the precursor of great economic and political upheaval of the planet. While one can not be exactly sure on when these events will unfold, the sequence will as follows: Conflict in the Middle East – the growing tensions between Iran, USA and Israel is heading unavoidably towards military conflict, with no indication of any resolution being achieved. Such a conflict, which will unavoidably involve the USA in support of Israel, would unleash a castrophatic disaster on the global financial and energy markets. The lack of confidence in the US dollar, resulting in its collapse and a switch to the Euro as the world’s reserve currency. The collapse of currencies tied to the US dollar, causing great economic and political hardship for these people. A total economic collapse of the debt-ridden Anglo-Saxon nations leading to their people sliding into absolute poverty, starvation, break-down in law and order and wide spread disease. The emergence of the Euro-zone as being the dominant economic power, imposing its will upon the world on how they will administer their governments, trade, and regulate the conduct their people in conducting their lives. An economic recovery to take place with the Euro being the only international reserve currency. Without the Anglo-Saxon nations competing for the limited global natural resources there will be sufficient non-renewable resources to support a new time of prosperity for much of the world. Meanwhile the Anglo-Saxon nations ( USA , Britain , Canada , Australia and New Zealand ) will be taken over, their people placed into slavery, their resources plundered, and they placed under the administration of foreign powers. Unless there is an alternative economic model adopted by the world, eventually the planet will be destroyed by mankind. It will only be with the established of one worldwide government ruled under the jurisdiction of Jesus Christ, implementing the Laws of God does the planet have any hope of preventing its destruction and unable to support life. These Laws will provide equity for everyone, prosperity, social justice, and an economic model which will allow the planet to survive within the natural resources available. Bruce Porteous [EMAIL PROTECTED] co.nz 24 August, 2008 __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. 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