The surge is a bandaid. We broke Iraq and it won't be easy to fix. The entire area is at risk.
On Sep 11, 2:51�pm, BlueFlorida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. � In the > fair city of �Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. > That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn > country of �Iraq. > ----------------------------------------- > FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; > Japan did. �From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of > 112,500 per year. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�------------------- > Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea. North > Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .... > an average of 18,334 per year. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. > Vietnam never attacked us. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�------- > Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. � From 1965-1975, > 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French > consent. �Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's > head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has > attacked us on multiple occasions. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to > take the Branch Davidian compound. �That was a 51-day operation . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�------- > It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to > destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call > the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): �'I served 23 years in the United States > Marine Corps. �I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. � � My > plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. �I was > in the space program. �It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life > on the line. �It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to > take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me, as > I went the other day . .. to a veteran's hospital and look those > men ... with their mangled bodies ... in the eye, and tell THEM they > didn't hold a job! > > You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to > the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee .. > and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DAD'S > didn't hold a job. > > You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National > Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, > and you watch those waving flags . You stand there, and you think > about this nation, and you have the gall to tell ME that those people > didn't have a job? > What about Metzenbaum? For those who don't remember During W.W.II, > Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in > the USA . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I KNOW........."CHANGE"........the subject. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---------------------------------- > > On Sep 11, 1:12 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > No Mark I was ALWAYS against the Invasion, and I was > > demanding a REAL surge years before Bush to fix the FUBAR > > he created. It was your Ilk that has consistently gotten it wrong. > > > Read the truth about my position on both the Iraq war and the surge. > > Both positions were posted BEFORE it became popular to have them. > > > I give the links Mark, now lets see who has the real balls in this > > group > > > MY POSITION AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR ON FEBRUARY 18,2003! > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:02 PM > > Subject: One Man's Humble Opinion > > >http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum/web/one-mans-humble-op... > > > War as a cavalier solution should not be taken lightly. We can conquer > > Iraq quickly. That should not be a problem. We will kill Saddam. That > > is a given. Now the dangerous part. > > > We will have an occupying army in a US hostile part of the world. We > > will either be supported or unsupported by our allies. If we are > > supported the costs to the United States will not be a great and the > > logistics for war and occupation easier. Without support it will be > > much more difficult. Our troops will also be exposed to constant > > danger to ambush. There will be high casualties from this. It will > > come from many terrorists sources. > > > While we are saber rattling it gave the Iraqis time to slip their own > > terror cells into our country. Don't kid yourselves, they are here. > > The President gave them plenty of advance warning. So now we have > > Iraq, Iran, and Al Qaeda terror cells in the US. The seratin found in > > England was probably distributed through out the NATO countries and > > the United States. Upon our attack it will probably be released. > > > While the war is going on it will be expensive to finance. So we will > > have to issue Treasuries to pay for the expense. The last treasury > > auction went badly. We had to offer the notes at discount prices. The > > yields had to be higher so that the bonds would be bought. During this > > war interest rates for bonds will rise to finance the war. this will > > cause interest rates for all loans rise. The cost to use money will > > rise. The recovery will be postponed. The deficit will be a huge > > burden for years to come. This is not the same scenario as the last > > Iraq war. > > > This is just the tip of the iceberg. So before you say lets do this > > and get it over with, just know what the cost of a war could be. > > > I am for defending this country against all threats. I just understand > > what that actually means. > > > MY POSITION DEMANDING A REAL SURGE ON AUGUST 28, 2005! > > > Sunday, August 28, 2005 > > The Truth about Liberals, The Iraq 'cut and run' and the Useful Bush > > Idiot lies. > > >http://vtsl.blogspot.com/2005/08/truth-about-liberals-iraq-cut-and-ru... > > > Sheehan speaks the truth when she says her son died in a war based on > > lies. That Bush has no honor sending our troops to die based on his > > lies. No one is saying that the troops dying are dying without honor. > > Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Al qaida Attacked the US. NO one is > > calling for the immediate withdrawal of troops out of Iraq. We invaded > > and caused the chaos in Iraq because of the poor planning of the Bush > > Administration. We broke, we own it. > > > To win this war Two things need to happen. Things that would back fire > > on the Republicans and the Bush Administration. Two things that would > > save American and Iraqis lives. We need more troops in Iraq and to > > supply these troops Bush needs to reinstate the draft. > > > Why do we need more troops? To keep the peace in areas AFTER the > > Marines stomp out the Insurgents in a hot zone. If we do not send in > > more troops to keep the peace the insurgents merely return once the > > Marines leave and kill any Iraqis who helped the US. This is not > > rocket science, but apparently beyond Bush's comprehension. You > > actually have to be in the military to understand this rational. > > > Even with the reinstatement of the draft US troops will remain in > > force for another Two years in Iraq. It will take that long for the > > draftees to make a difference, and for the newly trained Iraqis to > > replace American troops in pacified areas. > > > This will only work if the Iraqis KNOW the US plans to withdrawal as > > Iraqis troops replace them and the time table for this is FIRM. > > > This will not happen though, for to do this Bush would have to admit > > he was wrong in underestimating troop strength in the first place and > > secondly because a Draft would cause massive protests on US campuses. > > It will make the Sheehan protest look like a non event. It would also > > mean the death knell of the Republican's power hold in DC and the > > epithet to Bush's Administration. > > > OK Bush Believers and Useful bush Idiots, now that you know what the > > LIBERALS REALLY think, what have you to say? > > > On Sep 11, 12:48 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > what's the matter lib, lose some good terrorist friends who we killed > > > in the surge? sorry to see you raghead terrorist buds losing to the > > > mighty satan? hate to admit you libs were wrong, again? > > > > On Sep 11, 11:42 am, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Republicans praise McCain for supporting the Surge, > > > > I don't get it. Here is why. > > > > > September 11, 2008 > > > > Sean Lewis. > > > > > The surge has worked, for the moment, > > > > I still remember the premature celebrations > > > > of the 'mission accomplished' speech. > > > > > My problem with Republicans celebrating the > > > > success of the surge and bragging about it > > > > being such a great idea is this.... > > > > > How do you celebrate the guy who organized > > > > the bucket brigade, when he was the one who > > > > set the barn on fire? > > > > > Had we not invaded Iraq there would never have > > > > been a need for the surge. > > > > > Just a thought.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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