And just how do you suppose you could get them "if you wanted to"?
Without the prerequisite position, on your part, you would be breaking the Law. I have given you none of those reasons, so if you did try to get my Records, as you say "if you wanted to", then I would have you prosecuted. I guess such Records ARE in FACT Private, despite what YOU try to assert. On Nov 7, 8:42 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > exactly.... or unless a request is made by a substantiated FOIA request. If > i am suing you for part oflast years income i have the right to see your > returns. If you owe me a debt and could not pay i have a right to see your > returns.... there is an endless list of acceptable FOIA reasons to give me > access to your records. > > you wish you could afford me.... but I am completely retired as of 14-10-08. > If you think that there exists a single law written with no back door to it > you are an idiot. > > On 11/7/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tax information, both federal and state, is not a public record. It is > > not disclosed unless: > > > The taxpayer is part of a court proceeding where tax issues are > > relevant > > A government agency is trying to locate a parent who owes child > > support payments > > State financial aid programs have been requested > > It is for statistical use > > Agencies request tax information for the purpose of tax > > administration > > >http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs11-pub.htm > > > On Nov 7, 8:26 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 11/7/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Are they? > > > > > Are Child Support payments Public Records? > > > > In several states, yes. they post the deadbeat dad lists. not surprised > > you > > > don't know that. > > > > Are your Tax Records Public? > > > > yes, they are shared between several departments. I can get yours if i > > > wanted too and if you wanted you could get mine.... FOIA > > > > If so, why do Candidates have to "release" them to the Public in order > > > > > for us to see them? > > > > define "them" > > > > And there are Laws about Public Servants using Public funds in this > > > > > manner... > > > > yes, and that, old son, is the point made..... these "ststutes have been > > > broken and requires "criminal" prosecution. not a matter that the ACLU > > > covers. > > > > Why do you suppose there is an Investigation into what was looked at? > > > > because criminal laws were broken.... why do you think there is one?? > > > > If they are Public Records, why do you suppose they would have to do > > > > > that? > > > > all i have to do is fale a FOIA request with a well founded reason to get > > > these records. > > > > They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law. > > > > > On Nov 7, 7:59 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > weren't those "public" records??? > > > > > > On Nov 7, 9:32 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Right to Privacy is in fact a Civil Right. > > > > > > > Regardless of your ignorance on the matter. > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 4:43 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > first of all if that happened it isn't a constitutional or civil > > > > > > > rights matter . > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 5:05 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose the ACLU isn't looking into the Privacy > > Abuses > > > > > > > > against Joe the Plumber by Liberal Office holders, which may > > have > > > > > > > > broken the Law? > > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 1:52 am, "mike [move on] 532" < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > we shall see if that is correct or not . > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 4:09 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > These idiots are typical of bankrupt middle-class > > > > psuedo-intellectals. > > > > > > > > > > The rule of law no longer applies in times of political and > > > > economic > > > > > > > > > > crisis. > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's will not repeal one ant-democratic law as he > > supports > > > > them as > > > > > > > > > > integral in fighting the war on terror. He hasn't mentioned > > > > these laws > > > > > > > > > > once in his campaign, because they are not an issue, they > > are > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > remain. > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 7:48 pm, "mike [move on] 532" < > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > From the Desk of Anthony D. Romero, ACLU > > > > > > > > > > > Read the ACLU's "Actions for Restoring America" > > > >http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=dJlk6eJ9WuFCahyr-YvIxw.. > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > Dear ACLU Supporter, > > > > > > > > > > > > Barack Obama's victory gives all of us who care about > > liberty > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > real opportunity to restore the Constitution and move > > freedom > > > > > > > > > > > forward. > > > > > > > > > > > Now it's up to us. And, the ACLU is ready to get to work. > > > > > > > > > > > > For months, ACLU attorneys, policy experts and > > legislative > > > > advocates > > > > > > > > > > > -- the very same people who have fought tooth and nail to > > > > defend > > > > > > > > > > > freedom over the last eight years -- have been developing > > > > "Actions > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Restoring America." It's our blueprint for freedom, > > spelling > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > the specific actions that our new President must take to > > > > launch a > > > > > > > > > > > restoration of American values and to convey a clear > > > > rejection of the > > > > > > > > > > > shameful policies of the Bush era. > > > > > > > > > > > > This document is already in the hands of members of the > > Obama > > > > > > > > > > > transition team. And we want to get it in your hands, > > too, > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > we'll be calling on you to help us get it done. > > > > > > > > > > > > Download your personal copy of the ACLU's Actions for > > > > Restoring > > > > > > > > > > > America blueprint. > > > >http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=Bmo1nWpvOKVo6prU9M6QKw.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you will take the time to read our blueprint for > > > > moving > > > > > > > > > > > freedom > > > > > > > > > > > forward. It details the steps we'll be calling on Barack > > > > Obama > > > > > > > > > > > to take as he begins his historic presidency including > > > > vitally > > > > > > > > > > > important actions he can take on his first day in office > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > stroke of a pen. > > > > > > > > > > > > But the ACLU's Actions for Restoring America isn't just a > > > > > > > > > > > plan of action for Barack Obama. It's a call to action > > for > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > and every other member of the ACLU community. And we've > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > it up into three areas: > > > > > > > > > > > * First Day: Actions the President can take with the > > stroke > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > pen on the first day in office. > > > > > > > > > > > * First 100 Days: Actions the President and his > > > > administration can > > > > > > > > > > > take in the first 100 days in office. > > > > > > > > > > > * First Year: Actions the President and Congress can > > take in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > first year. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have helped stand up for the Constitution and the > > rule of > > > > law > > > > > > > > > > > through periods of enormous challenge. Now, as we enter a > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > hopeful > > > > > > > > > > > period in the life of our nation, we need you to > > demonstrate > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > commitment to moving freedom forward and restoring > > America's > > > > > > > > > > > reputation. > > > > > > > > > > > > As our blueprint makes clear: decisive action by our new > > > > leaders is > > > > > > > > > > > not just a question of opportunity. It's a matter of > > > > necessity. > > > > > > > > > > > And the feistiness, passion and commitment of ACLU > > supporters > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > will be more critical to the future of freedom than ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I speak for all of my ACLU colleagues in telling > > you > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > we're excited to be entering this new era, eager to seize > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > opportunity for progress, and honored to be working by > > your > > > > side at > > > > > > > > > > > such a pivotal period for freedom, justice and equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anthony D. 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