I have also seen them get involved whenLaws are not Rightly upheld, by
those who are supposed to enforce them.

Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.

No wonder you are "retired".


On Nov 7, 8:46 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> correct. in this case the damage has been done his rights were violated by
> individual criminal acts... there is NO proof offered as to State or Party
> involvement. it goes to criminal court and employeee review boards.
>
> if i kidnap you i have violated your rights.... the aclu does NOT get
> involved unless the STATUTES are in error or causing part of the
> deprivation.
>
> not too bright are you??
>
> On 11/7/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Are you trying to say that the ACLU has never gotten into these type
> > of things?
>
> > On Nov 7, 8:26 am, "Mark Kahle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 11/7/08, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Are they?
>
> > > > Are Child Support payments Public Records?
>
> > > In several states, yes. they post the deadbeat dad lists. not surprised
> > you
> > > don't know that.
>
> > > Are your Tax Records Public?
>
> > > yes, they are shared between several departments. I can get yours if i
> > > wanted too and if you wanted you could get mine.... FOIA
>
> > > If so, why do Candidates have to "release" them to the Public in order
>
> > > > for us to see them?
>
> > > define "them"
>
> > > And there are Laws about Public Servants using Public funds in this
>
> > > > manner...
>
> > > yes, and that, old son, is the point made..... these "ststutes have been
> > > broken and requires "criminal" prosecution. not a matter that the ACLU
> > > covers.
>
> > > Why do you suppose there is an Investigation into what was looked at?
>
> > > because criminal laws were broken.... why do you think there is one??
>
> > > If they are Public Records, why do you suppose they would have to do
>
> > > > that?
>
> > > all i have to do is fale a FOIA request with a well founded reason to get
> > > these records.
>
> > > They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.
>
> > > > On Nov 7, 7:59 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > weren't those "public" records???
>
> > > > > On Nov 7, 9:32 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Right to Privacy is in fact a Civil Right.
>
> > > > > > Regardless of your ignorance on the matter.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 4:43 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > first of all if that happened it isn't a constitutional or civil
> > > > > > > rights matter .
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 7, 5:05 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Why do you suppose the ACLU isn't looking into the Privacy
> > Abuses
> > > > > > > > against Joe the Plumber by Liberal Office holders, which may
> > have
> > > > > > > > broken the Law?
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 1:52 am, "mike [move on] 532" <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > we shall see if that is correct or not .
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 4:09 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > These idiots are typical of bankrupt middle-class
> > > > psuedo-intellectals.
> > > > > > > > > > The rule of law no longer applies in times of political and
> > > > economic
> > > > > > > > > > crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Obama's will not repeal one ant-democratic law as he
> > supports
> > > > them as
> > > > > > > > > > integral in fighting the war on terror. He hasn't mentioned
> > > > these laws
> > > > > > > > > > once in his campaign, because they are not an issue, they
> > are
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > remain.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 7, 7:48 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > > From the Desk of Anthony D. Romero, ACLU
> > > > > > > > > > > Read the ACLU's "Actions for Restoring America"
> > > >http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=dJlk6eJ9WuFCahyr-YvIxw..
> > > > > > > > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > > Dear ACLU Supporter,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Barack Obama's victory gives all of us who care about
> > liberty
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > real opportunity to restore the Constitution and move
> > freedom
> > > > > > > > > > > forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now it's up to us. And, the ACLU is ready to get to work.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > For months, ACLU attorneys, policy experts and
> > legislative
> > > > advocates
> > > > > > > > > > > -- the very same people who have fought tooth and nail to
> > > > defend
> > > > > > > > > > > freedom over the last eight years -- have been developing
> > > > "Actions
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > Restoring America." It's our blueprint for freedom,
> > spelling
> > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > the specific actions that our new President must take to
> > > > launch a
> > > > > > > > > > > restoration of American values and to convey a clear
> > > > rejection of the
> > > > > > > > > > > shameful policies of the Bush era.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This document is already in the hands of members of the
> > Obama
> > > > > > > > > > > transition team. And we want to get it in your hands,
> > too,
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > we'll be calling on you to help us get it done.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Download your personal copy of the ACLU's Actions for
> > > > Restoring
> > > > > > > > > > > America blueprint.
> > > >http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=Bmo1nWpvOKVo6prU9M6QKw..
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I hope you will take the time to read our blueprint for
> > > > moving
> > > > > > > > > > > freedom
> > > > > > > > > > > forward. It details the steps we'll be calling on Barack
> > > > Obama
> > > > > > > > > > > to take as he begins his historic presidency including
> > > > vitally
> > > > > > > > > > > important actions he can take on his first day in office
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > stroke of a pen.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > But the ACLU's Actions for Restoring America isn't just a
> > > > > > > > > > > plan of action for Barack Obama. It's a call to action
> > for
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > and every other member of the ACLU community. And we've
> > > > broken
> > > > > > > > > > > it up into three areas:
> > > > > > > > > > > *  First Day: Actions the President can take with the
> > stroke
> > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > pen on the first day in office.
> > > > > > > > > > > *  First 100 Days: Actions the President and his
> > > > administration can
> > > > > > > > > > > take in the first 100 days in office.
> > > > > > > > > > > *  First Year: Actions the President and Congress can
> > take in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > first year.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You have helped stand up for the Constitution and the
> > rule of
> > > > law
> > > > > > > > > > > through periods of enormous challenge. Now, as we enter a
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > hopeful
> > > > > > > > > > > period in the life of our nation, we need you to
> > demonstrate
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > > commitment to moving freedom forward and restoring
> > America's
> > > > > > > > > > > reputation.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > As our blueprint makes clear: decisive action by our new
> > > > leaders is
> > > > > > > > > > > not just a question of opportunity. It's a matter of
> > > > necessity.
> > > > > > > > > > > And the feistiness, passion and commitment of ACLU
> > supporters
> > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > will be more critical to the future of freedom than ever.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I know I speak for all of my ACLU colleagues in telling
> > you
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > we're excited to be entering this new era, eager to seize
> > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > > opportunity for progress, and honored to be working by
> > your
> > > > side at
> > > > > > > > > > > such a pivotal period for freedom, justice and equality.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Anthony D. Romero
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> > > Mark M. Kahle
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