My problem with Mike is he claims HNN and then links to buzzflash which only hypes the already hyped BS... What Mike should have done is first link to HNN and then to his op-ed piece... This way a reader can see where the information is coming from and judge for themselves... Too many times nut cases for all flavors do NOT provide the original source documentation for other folks to consider... It is MEANT to be an impediment to civil and honest discussion IMHO in this case...
How can one edit a post in the forum after the fact??? Did Mike include the link at first, and now it is gone??? Tell me how this can be done... On Jan 15, 2:42 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > jgg, > > While I am no fan of Bush, I think his extreme negative numbers today > are due, at least in part, to a very aggressively anti-Bush MSM. I > think in time, as the rhetoric fades and his actual accomplishments - > and failures - are critically evaluated, history will prove to be a > bit kinder to him than is being predicted today. > > But the point of my post to you was just to point out that the HNN > was, in fact, responsible for the article. How credible the HNN is, I > have no clue. > > On Jan 15, 2:31 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Here is a reasoned POV from a Historian who thinks Bush will be seen > > in a far kinder light... > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4241865/History-will... > > > The problem so many folks now base their opinions on Urban Myths and > > not facts... For example, how many times was the rumor mill positive > > Bush was going to invade Iran??? We recently found out Bush STOPPED > > Israel from attacking Iran... So much for the PC POV og the anti > > Bush folks... > > > On Jan 14, 5:14 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Correction.. it's the History News Network.. Mike had it correct, but > > > it morphed along the way. > > > > On Jan 14, 5:11 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > > > Check outhttp://hnn.us/articles/48916.html > > > > > I'm not saying they have it correct, and they are wise enough to > > > > present both sides of the argument (albeit in a very unbalanced > > > > manner), but it does appear the story did originate from the History > > > > News Channel. There just was an extra layer or two of indirection > > > > along the way. > > > > > A couple of interesting snippet from the story; > > > > > Quote: > > > > The second criticism that is often raised of historians making such > > > > assessments of a current president is that it is far too early. We do > > > > not yet know how the things that Mr. Bush has done will work out in > > > > the future. As the only respondent who classified the current > > > > presidency among the ten best noted, “Any judgment of his ‘success’ or > > > > lack thereof is premature in that the ultimate effects of his policies > > > > are not yet known.” True enough. But this historian went on to make > > > > his current evaluation, giving Bush “high marks for courage in his > > > > willingness to attack intractable problems in the Near East and to > > > > touch the Social Security ‘Third Rail.’ ” > > > > > Quote: > > > > “No individual president can compare to the second Bush,” wrote one. > > > > “Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors > > > > his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country > > > > with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on > > > > the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the > > > > terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a > > > > looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s > > > > goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so > > > > deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at > > > > large.” > > > > > Quote: > > > > “George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has > > > > thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” > > > > wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his > > > > professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of > > > > the most distinguished historians. “He knows how to make the very > > > > rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up > > > > everything else he even approaches. His administration has been the > > > > most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self- > > > > righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American > > > > history.” > > > > > On Jan 14, 4:44 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Except the link is NOT to a "History News Channel" And there is > > > > > nothing about it being a site for historians... Who is Buzz flash??? > > > > > > >>> It is a user driven progressive political news website that > > > > > >>> allows you to submit a story that may be reviewed by all visitors > > > > > >>> and may or may not be promoted to the front page. When you submit > > > > > >>> a story, it remains in the pending Buzz queue until it receives > > > > > >>> enough votes to be promoted to the main page. > > > > > > Fake news by fake historians promoted by sadly unfake idoits... > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:55 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Those "educators" you talk about are the historians who some say are > > > > > > supposed to be praising Bush when his term is over. LOL! > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:19 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It isn't even the History Channel. Its a Washington state based > > > > > > > blog > > > > > > > run by a bunch of "educators." > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:03 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > History Channel????? > > > > > > > > > Bush is still current events. > > > > > > > > > Wonder what the Hostory Channel wil say in 50 years when Bush is > > > > > > > > history. > > > > > > > > > The Loons can't even pcae Clinton's achievements above Bush - > > > > > > > > to say > > > > > > > > nothing of Jimmy Carter. > > > > > > > > > The Loons don't even try. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 10:54 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Milk in your grits? That's just wrong, mikey! Butter, even > > > > > > > > > cheese, > > > > > > > > > okay, but milk? > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting. Even most of those who voted for Bush will > > > > > > > > > no longer > > > > > > > > > defend him. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 10:20 am, "florida mike !" > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > yeah i know i just figured i would brighten lower case mark > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > travis's day by giving them something to yawn at . :o} > > > > > > > > > > hey ! just for grins and giggles i asked for a class of > > > > > > > > > > milk to put in > > > > > > > > > > my grits yesterday at the local dinner . all i got was some > > > > > > > > > > funny > > > > > > > > > > looks and no milk ! > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 10:10 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > No surprise there. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 9:18 am, "florida mike !" > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'History News Network' rated Bush the worst president > > > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > nation's > > > > > > > > > > > > historyhttp://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=86618 > > > > > > > > > > > > Bush leaves office next Tuesday with the lowest > > > > > > > > > > > > sustained approval > > > > > > > > > > > > ratings of any modern president. With the exception of > > > > > > > > > > > > hard-line neo- > > > > > > > > > > > > conservatives and other far-right hawks who ruled the > > > > > > > > > > > > roost in Bush's > > > > > > > > > > > > first term, the overwhelming consensus of veteran > > > > > > > > > > > > analysts here is > > > > > > > > > > > > that his "global war on terror" -- for which he is > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to be most > > > > > > > > > > > > remembered -- has inflicted unprecedented and possibly > > > > > > > > > > > > permanent > > > > > > > > > > > > damage on Washington's image abroad. The latter problem > > > > > > > > > > > > may not > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > to those who, like Vice President Dick Cheney and the > > > > > > > > > > > > "neo-cons", > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > long disdained diplomacy and other forms of "soft > > > > > > > > > > > > power". But the > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected difficulties confronted by U.S. military > > > > > > > > > > > > forces in > > > > > > > > > > > > Afghanistan and Iraq -- as well as the transparent > > > > > > > > > > > > failure of "hard > > > > > > > > > > > > power" to have the desired effect in other "terror-war" > > > > > > > > > > > > theatres, > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > as Somalia and Pakistan (or Lebanon, in Israel's case) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- have > > > > > > > > > > > > exposed > > > > > > > > > > > > the limits of a U.S.-dominated "unipolar world", and > > > > > > > > > > > > the ability of > > > > > > > > > > > > the U.S. armed forces to enforce it on their own.- Hide > > > > > > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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