and you fail to recognize the American policies at the time, which I listed this morning, the Truman Doctrine and the Monroe Doctrine, both of which Manuel Ortega, in collusion with the Soviets were attempting to circumvent, and expand communism throughout the region.
Keith, These are NOT "American" policies, they are USA policies. Since when does the US have ANY right to impose their will on and within the borders of other just as Sovereign states ?? If they do does that go the other way as well ?? or is everything u nilateral when it comes to your foreign policy ? from 2004 and boy george... http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/358/troops.shtml Congress voted Saturday to allow the number of US military personnel in Colombia to double from 400 to 800 in coming months. The joint conference committee vote on the 2005 Defense Department appropriations bill also allows the administration to increase the number of US citizens working as subcontractors for the US-backed anti-drug and counterinsurgency effort from 400 to 600. Congress imposed a personnel cap on the US presence in Colombia in 2000 in an effort to avoid a rapid escalation in the number of US troops and civilian contractors involved in that country's four-decade-old civil conflict. The personnel cap was part of the Clinton era Plan Colombia, which, unlike current Colombia policy, at least kept up the pretense that US involvement was an anti-drug effort, not an attempt to intervene in the civil war. The vote marked a victory for the government of Colombian President Álvaro Uribe and its US backers. Uribe has spent his term -- and $3.3 billion in US assistance -- attempting to defeat leftist guerrillas militarily even as he negotiates peace deals with rightist paramilitaries. As part of his campaign against the guerrillas, Uribe has enthusiastically supported US-backed efforts to destroy the country's coca and cocaine economy, which feeds tens of thousands of peasant coca growers as well as funding armed combatants on all sides of the conflict. But even as Uribe basked in the glow of a fresh commitment from the US, massive demonstrations broke out in Colombia's largest cities this week against his economic policies and his plan to defeat the leftist rebels militarily. According to an Agence France Press dispatch from Bogota Tuesday night, some 300,000 protestors led by student, peasant, labor, and indigenous groups filled that city's downtown Bolivar Plaza, while similar demonstrations were reported in Barranquilla, Bucamaranga, Cali, Cartagena, and Medellin. While demonstrators in Bogota were demanding new policies from the Uribe government, its US supporters were singing a different tune. "We will stay the course," Gen. James Hill, the commander of American military operations in Latin America, said last week in Bogotá in a farewell address before he retired. According to the New York Times, Hill added that the US would "assist the Colombian people in ways that are necessary to win the war." so much for a lack of active military presence. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > President Reagan was not a "blood thirsty asshole", he was the greatest > American President in our lifetime, and you fail to recognize the American > policies at the time, which I listed this morning, the Truman Doctrine and > the Monroe Doctrine, both of which Manuel Ortega, in collusion with the > Soviets were attempting to circumvent, and expand communism throughout the > region. Hard to envision today, in 2009, but this was exactly what was going > on, and Reagan campaigned on this very issue! He promised the American > people that he would put a halt to Ortega's and Nicaragua's communist > expansion! > > I was stationed at Ramstein Airbase, (I was in the Army) in the State of > Rhineland Phalz. I traveled (at the time) West Germany profusely, as well > as Europe, and have been back over there several different times since I > lived there, for almost four years. > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was there off and on from 81 through 84. When a US Government >> employee has command of troops and is enforcing US Government policy >> in that zone and the operation is completely funded from the US >> government it IS a US operation. There were perjury convictions based >> on this and pardons issued... >> >> Do you think the pardons for Pentagon officials were issued because >> there was no US involvement... >> >> Ronnie was a bloodthirsty asshole that killed more Americans than Bush 2. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Let's assume for a moment, that everything you just wrote is correct, >> > and >> > although I don't doubt what you personally witnessed, I still question >> > the >> > premise that the CIA was conducting paramilitary operations in >> > Nicaragua, to >> > the extent that they were openly engaging in direct combat. >> > >> > When did this paramilitary group of CIA agents engage combat troops in >> > Nicaragua? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Keith as much as you or I would like to deny, deny, deny... the CIA >> >> was used as a para military wing of the US government for years. >> >> >> >> Felix Rodriguez >> >> >> >> Rodriguez met with Donald Gregg, who by then was Bush's National >> >> Security advisor. The Walsh Report (Chapter 29) states: "Gregg >> >> introduced Rodriguez to Vice President Bush in January 1985, and >> >> Rodriguez met with the Vice President again in Washington, D.C., in >> >> May 1986. He also met Vice President Bush briefly in Miami on May 20, >> >> 1986."[7] >> >> >> >> Rodriguez also met and spoke repeatedly with Bush's advisor Gregg and >> >> his deputy (Col. Samuel J. Watson III). As one indicator of this >> >> connection, a single chapter in the Walsh Report titled "Donald P. >> >> Gregg" (Chapter 29) contains 329 references to Rodriguez.[7] >> >> >> >> On 5 October 1986, the C-123 carrying Eugene Hasenfus was shot down >> >> over Nicaragua, killing two American pilots, William H. Cooper and >> >> Wallace B. Sawyer, Jr., and one Latin crew member. "Rodriguez >> >> unsuccessfully attempted to call Gregg to inform him of the missing >> >> plane. He reached Watson, who in turn notified the White House >> >> Situation Room. The following day, Rodriguez called Watson again and >> >> told him that the airplane was one of North's."[7] Hasenfus told >> >> reporters that he worked for "Max Gomez" (an alias for Felix >> >> Rodriguez) and "Ramon Medina" (an alias for Luis Posada Carriles) of >> >> the CIA. On 10 October 1986, Clair George, head of CIA clandestine >> >> operations, testified before Congress that he did not know of any >> >> direct connection between Hasenfus and Administration officials. In >> >> Fall of 1992, George was convicted on two charges of false statements >> >> and perjury before Congress; he was pardoned Christmas Eve that year >> >> by then-President Bush.[10][11] >> >> >> >> and as I said... I MET him in the field in Nicaragua. he was directing >> >> troops and airdrops from c-130's >> >> >> >> But they were no more "US" than Air America was in SE Asia. >> >> >> >> If it looks like a fish, swims like a fish and stinks like a dead fish >> >> it is US paramilitary. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Keith In Tampa >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mark <>uttered the following >> >> > rhetoric: >> >> > These "brave" Americans were wearing what ?? shorts and tee-shirts or >> >> > Military uniforms ? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ============= >> >> > >> >> > They were asleep in their bunks, when these murdering Islamic thugs >> >> > decided >> >> > to utilize homicidal murderers to drive truck laden bombs into the >> >> > French compound, where Americans were sleeping, being assigned on a >> >> > UN >> >> > Peace Keeping mission. I assume that these proud Americans were >> >> > probably >> >> > wearing their skivvies Mark!! >> >> > >> >> > The definition of the rules of (military) engagement is as follows: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "A directive issued by competent military authority that delineates >> >> > the >> >> > limitations and circumstances under which forces will initiate and >> >> > prosecute >> >> > combat engagement with other forces encountered." >> >> > >> >> > Please show me where, in Nicaragua, or Lebanon, or Columbia, we >> >> > engaged, >> >> > with other combat forces. Dates, times, (pictures if ya got em!) >> >> > >> >> > The fact is, this is Anti-American spin, and there is no truth nor >> >> > basis >> >> > to >> >> > it. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Were they lodged in the Embassy as staff and under the direct >> >> >> command >> >> >> of the ambassador or part of the Mediterranean command ? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Keith In Tampa >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Our "military engagement" in Grenada lasted what? A day? Six >> >> >> > hours? >> >> >> > A >> >> >> > smashing success. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There was no military engagement by the United States in >> >> >> > Nicaragua. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There was no military engagement in Lebanon. There were Islamic >> >> >> > homicidal >> >> >> > murderers who murdered 241 brave Americans and a handful of French >> >> >> > who >> >> >> > were >> >> >> > there on behalf of the United Nations. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > There has been no active military engagement in Columbia by the >> >> >> > United >> >> >> > States. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Far left, radical extremists who hate America, I can understand, >> >> >> > but >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > guy >> >> >> > with the moniker of SgtUSMC and an e-mail address calling himself >> >> >> > "DevilDawg"?? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Come on!! Don't fall for that far left extremist wacko left >> >> >> > Moonbattery!! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, SgtUSMC <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe Columbia, too. I can't remember exactly when we became >> >> >> >> involved >> >> >> >> militarily but, we still are. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Mark M. Kahle, , >> >> >> www.filacoffee.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark M. Kahle, , >> >> www.filacoffee.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark M. Kahle, , >> www.filacoffee.com >> >> > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
